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1 There is nothing Good or Bad, it is all about Choices ........ So choose wisely.
2 Don't believe all that you hear and don't say all that you think.
3 Being Happy is not a matter of destiny. It is a matter of options.
4 Integrity begins with a person being willing to be honest with himself.
5 Do not let the noise of Other's opinion drown out your inner voice
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Loud thinking of K Rajaram I R S
Is that correct or even self-motivational words?
1. Vedic scripture followed by Tiruvalluar sourced it in Karma theory and (tamil) Immaikkum enai marumaikkum thatham karumame kattalaikkal. The choice made as good turns ultimately bad choice and so wisdom does not help.
2. This is fair yet this will deprive one of discussing with elders for right directions. Also suppression of communications matter much. If what children speak is ignored then the developments are curbed. So too for elders. Experiences maketh a man.
3. Sure if agreed what applied in – 1- do apply here also. Contentment is happiness. Option may spread the wing. (Tamil) Kana mayilada kandirunda vaankozhi thanumadu vaga pavithu….results may occur. If options of happiness is triggered from the desire then the ballooning limitations may blow the whole life.
4. Sure No counter. But Integrity though is same the action may differ from integrated situations. In Politics Integrity is giving up a village for the sake of population. In war integrity is diplomatic war. For a drug peddler it is protecting the honor of the group and die together. So the best definition given from Veda and from Tamil Tirukkural, “THAN NENJU ARIVADU POYYATRKKA, POITHAPIN THAN NENJE THANNAI CHUDUM”—Their the word Honest to oneself is correct subject to avoiding ULAGAM PAZHITHADU.
5. Yes it’s true partly and for some Nil. The truth is “ enni thuniga, …. thunidhapin ennuam enbadhu izhukku”. Epporul yar yar vaikketpinum apporul mei pporul kanbadu arivu”. Hence even for people beyond comprehension opinions are must. May ne one can drown or analyse and come over subject to his knowledge. However individual ego may bring disrepute and all opinions are for finding the truth only-- hence it is essential to gather the opinions. . There is a greater joke! All who don’t want o listen to others, go and fall at gods men so called feet without even a second thought and nod as if he is a greater guru!.
6. Anyway western thoughts are sweet coated pills with intent to hypnotize to encase. Eastern words have meaning in depth, yet not known to many.
7. SENSE WITHOUT INDEPENDENT EGO IS DEPENDENT LIKE, BUT CREATE A SENSE OF FULFILMENT, WHILE THE INDEPENDENT EGO WITHOUT SENSE IS NON-SENSE, SENSED FINALLY WHEN STRETCH TO THE WALL. “ ADAKKAM AMARURL UYKKUM, ADANGAMAI AARIRUK OOYTHUVIDUM.”
8. Thank you k Rajaram I R S
DAY TO DAY WE COME ACROSS FAIR,ODD,FUNNY THOUGHT PROVOKING THINGS AND ARTICLES. LESSONS AND ESSENSE OF LIFE AS I SEE, IS PRESENTED IN LOUD THINKING,YOUR POLITE VIEW IS SOLICITED
Monday, February 20, 2012
Sunday, February 12, 2012
12th Feb 2012, Neeya Naana vijay TV
Yesterday 12th Feb 2012, Neeya Naana vijay TV program lead me to think where the Tamilnadu, India is progressing.
Women demand their own way or calling it as equality of home chores sharing including Baby raising; on the contrary , women prefer only to husband share but not male children cooking etc, funny. It also reflected the liking as well as bending to husband command to save the family life. Bundle of contradictions. OK
Why Judges made some mumbo-jumbo words as if Kamal hassen is speaking!
Men are dunce as usual caught between reality of nature and pretending one to be. Man is bold creature who has to protect the family with courage and love with the balanced mind. Family is not as defined in USA but as in India. At the same time he has to have the boldness to declare whosoever he/she may be , that his wife's rights shall be protected as long as she is genuine.There is a difference between man and woman undoudedly. If she crosses the threshold of womanhood she will become a maglomania.
At the same time , she cannot be continuosly insulted and beyond tolerance ,when she,has to take the cudjel to establish the human rights violations. A woman shall draw this line with hardcore quality of patience to see whether any external elements are playing the cards or husband is ignorant but good.
I think valluar calls this as "thinmai" and "karpu"as one wife one husband relation if possible till death separate them. When an elderely speak as non-interference in Gay and lesbian relationship, which is not "mangalam" and not a relationship of health and for proper posterity, and yield to HIV etc, its a psychic problem and society shall take care.
Youth of today cause anxiety, men as coward and women as capricious, except some minority.
Women demand their own way or calling it as equality of home chores sharing including Baby raising; on the contrary , women prefer only to husband share but not male children cooking etc, funny. It also reflected the liking as well as bending to husband command to save the family life. Bundle of contradictions. OK
Why Judges made some mumbo-jumbo words as if Kamal hassen is speaking!
Men are dunce as usual caught between reality of nature and pretending one to be. Man is bold creature who has to protect the family with courage and love with the balanced mind. Family is not as defined in USA but as in India. At the same time he has to have the boldness to declare whosoever he/she may be , that his wife's rights shall be protected as long as she is genuine.There is a difference between man and woman undoudedly. If she crosses the threshold of womanhood she will become a maglomania.
At the same time , she cannot be continuosly insulted and beyond tolerance ,when she,has to take the cudjel to establish the human rights violations. A woman shall draw this line with hardcore quality of patience to see whether any external elements are playing the cards or husband is ignorant but good.
I think valluar calls this as "thinmai" and "karpu"as one wife one husband relation if possible till death separate them. When an elderely speak as non-interference in Gay and lesbian relationship, which is not "mangalam" and not a relationship of health and for proper posterity, and yield to HIV etc, its a psychic problem and society shall take care.
Youth of today cause anxiety, men as coward and women as capricious, except some minority.
Sunday, January 29, 2012
Neeya-Naana, Vijay TV Channel dated 29th Jan 2012
Yesterday there was a peculiar topic in Neeya-Naana, Vijay TV Channel as usual making India for another downfall. As Gopi said that even change will undergo change, yet changes are positive progress and not negation inducing down fall of civilizations.
This was regarding the food taste and healthy preparation at the kitchen by women and complaint of men. Basically, cooking is the wealth of women as no one need to teach swimming for fish. Cooking is an involvement, a concentration, rather a yoga. Women are stronger than men ,not by body weight ,as strength is wrongly misunderstood. Its mind game. Generally women were good at it once totally. The downfall started from 1960. Greed is another asset of women which they term as "possessive". The "good possessive" changed to "worse greed" as time passed. That is why now a days you see women of body strength rather than the mental one. The mistake ,rather the error ,started then from the mothers of the current women. There was another greed from men side which also started in the current generation. Money ,quick money by whatever means. There shall always be a justification for such statements. That is price index!.
Can anyone induce the reason for the increasing price structure? Unnecessary money flow in the market. Only when the money is unaccountable (mean both ways) wasteful expenditure occur. Pleasure has been misinterpreted. That’s why one sees the swapping and living together levels in India!. Erroneous food habit including quality, quantity, space, time induce the Rajo and Tamas Guna. It changes the mind from forbearance to steadfast ego. Its told in Bhagavat Gita. Men have lost their manliness and change has to be there for women. Hence the lethargy and least interest to learn, made the women folks to retard. Corporate culture and attractive advertisements hit the nail strong on the real life box.
There is no use raising arguments or claiming or wrongly understanding the equality. Nature is such that process of like and the culmination towards betterments were created in such a manner that brain of women is different from that of men. Mind creates the ego to fall apart, disfiguring the nature. Its as bad as losing the forests and cursing the rain for water. Have you noticed from time immemorial, (leave aside Sanskrit literatures, Natrinai , Kurunthogai etc teach these) agriculturists women folks forming the majority of the populations , were the real working women. The nature and cult of work may be different compared to today, yet the potentials are the same. They did all odd jobs, carried children, cooked and lead a rhythmic life as demanded then. Even five senses do it. But from sixties the education and job-culture gave the wrong directions.
Easy way of life cropped up. However there were at least the majority brought up children so well the current women folks do not have the difficulty. The mod culture t throw away money, for which the culprit is men changed the life style towards western moods. Those who were going thru the turn , never understood either of the Indian or western life. When the quantum of the gullible increase , the low percentage but well exposed western culture came to exist without the the mind to question, for which act the men are reason. Majority of the western house hold even today cook, bring up children with the pattern of love and affection. In the western cult the mod women whose "q" our people take are addressed as "B--------(5 letter word). I heard in a mall i the walkie talkie calling an employee by that word and the lady cursing the manager moving towards his cabin. Thro out the world the respect for ladies are high standard and the women are women whatever country they belong to. Indian women may not be rich once but were rich in respect they received. But today, it could be the western mod women.
Hence women today are only feigning to be weak in mind because men encourage them to do so. Y bringing in the original strength women have the capacity to go back to reduce the diverse rates and if it’s not done cooking may become the cause of losing the territory and the fall could be stronger than imagined, since no woman would take it easy if discarded by her own children, which pride make her a woman. It shall happen sooner than conceived. It should be remembered that all pep up book writers earn thro that book and by the advices they contain. So too women liberators may talk tall for their development yet behaving like women, but the damages created shall be as that of advertisements of corporate today.
It’s a great idea to have a common kitchen .So too will it not be great to have a common women folks for their freedom and for that act alone for both women and men? Who knows Reliance may bring in and we shall accept them. History repeats itself. (30th Jan 2012).
This was regarding the food taste and healthy preparation at the kitchen by women and complaint of men. Basically, cooking is the wealth of women as no one need to teach swimming for fish. Cooking is an involvement, a concentration, rather a yoga. Women are stronger than men ,not by body weight ,as strength is wrongly misunderstood. Its mind game. Generally women were good at it once totally. The downfall started from 1960. Greed is another asset of women which they term as "possessive". The "good possessive" changed to "worse greed" as time passed. That is why now a days you see women of body strength rather than the mental one. The mistake ,rather the error ,started then from the mothers of the current women. There was another greed from men side which also started in the current generation. Money ,quick money by whatever means. There shall always be a justification for such statements. That is price index!.
Can anyone induce the reason for the increasing price structure? Unnecessary money flow in the market. Only when the money is unaccountable (mean both ways) wasteful expenditure occur. Pleasure has been misinterpreted. That’s why one sees the swapping and living together levels in India!. Erroneous food habit including quality, quantity, space, time induce the Rajo and Tamas Guna. It changes the mind from forbearance to steadfast ego. Its told in Bhagavat Gita. Men have lost their manliness and change has to be there for women. Hence the lethargy and least interest to learn, made the women folks to retard. Corporate culture and attractive advertisements hit the nail strong on the real life box.
There is no use raising arguments or claiming or wrongly understanding the equality. Nature is such that process of like and the culmination towards betterments were created in such a manner that brain of women is different from that of men. Mind creates the ego to fall apart, disfiguring the nature. Its as bad as losing the forests and cursing the rain for water. Have you noticed from time immemorial, (leave aside Sanskrit literatures, Natrinai , Kurunthogai etc teach these) agriculturists women folks forming the majority of the populations , were the real working women. The nature and cult of work may be different compared to today, yet the potentials are the same. They did all odd jobs, carried children, cooked and lead a rhythmic life as demanded then. Even five senses do it. But from sixties the education and job-culture gave the wrong directions.
Easy way of life cropped up. However there were at least the majority brought up children so well the current women folks do not have the difficulty. The mod culture t throw away money, for which the culprit is men changed the life style towards western moods. Those who were going thru the turn , never understood either of the Indian or western life. When the quantum of the gullible increase , the low percentage but well exposed western culture came to exist without the the mind to question, for which act the men are reason. Majority of the western house hold even today cook, bring up children with the pattern of love and affection. In the western cult the mod women whose "q" our people take are addressed as "B--------(5 letter word). I heard in a mall i the walkie talkie calling an employee by that word and the lady cursing the manager moving towards his cabin. Thro out the world the respect for ladies are high standard and the women are women whatever country they belong to. Indian women may not be rich once but were rich in respect they received. But today, it could be the western mod women.
Hence women today are only feigning to be weak in mind because men encourage them to do so. Y bringing in the original strength women have the capacity to go back to reduce the diverse rates and if it’s not done cooking may become the cause of losing the territory and the fall could be stronger than imagined, since no woman would take it easy if discarded by her own children, which pride make her a woman. It shall happen sooner than conceived. It should be remembered that all pep up book writers earn thro that book and by the advices they contain. So too women liberators may talk tall for their development yet behaving like women, but the damages created shall be as that of advertisements of corporate today.
It’s a great idea to have a common kitchen .So too will it not be great to have a common women folks for their freedom and for that act alone for both women and men? Who knows Reliance may bring in and we shall accept them. History repeats itself. (30th Jan 2012).
Thursday, January 19, 2012
I THINK THEREFORE I AM
I THINK THEREFORE I AM 1
This openning material I liked from the blog and on that basis I express my views on general and special paths of Neey Naana of Mr Gopinath:
I’m neither spiritual nor religious: Gobinath
Understanding of god in the words of Mr C G as seen in the blog Understand yourself well and then you will understand the rest. Certainly, god never helps those who are lazy and do not believe in the maxim, ‘work is worship’. One cannot rule out the role of destiny in his life. Some call it as ‘luck’ and the others name it as ‘god’s grace’. One should sincerely work towards one’s goal without any expectation. If one makes the sincere effort, then that itself would pay the result to him. It has been reiterated as, Deivatthaal aagathenum muyarchi mei varuttha kuli tharum by Tiruvalluvar.
Spiritual beliefs
I’m neither spiritual nor religious. One is not happy with what he has and always feels that others are lucky and better off. And that’s because of his mind which shows he hasn’t understood life in a proper way. Spiritual beliefs are to be integrated with emotional relationships.
This has helped me to experience life as a journey of growth and let go off fear. When someone says, ‘You are doing a good job’, I feel happy and great. The set of Neeya Naana, my training academy, Taalkshop, and my home are close to my heart.
Meditation and awakening
Meditation is an exercise which you give to your conscience to make it active. Awakening makes you to know if you’re a good person or not. It’s a bliss to realise awakening.
(C Gobinath hosts a popular show, Neeya Naana, on Vijay TV)
Topics:
Gobinath,
Neeya Naana,
vijay TV
My observations dated 16th Jan 2012.
Gopinath is striving to rise up with varied strategies and good luck. However what’s being done by him is a JERRY FINGER SHOW AS in USA TELEVISION. Of course he has a director and producer and TV who shall earn by hook or crook and CG is helpless. The show shall have the fine thinkers with knowledge and presentation; it happened with me is not welcome.; Judges should analyze thread bear which require higher caliber than the participants..
Bookish burping and credibility lacking talkers without basis mislead the mass; after all the judges like Dr.S if I were there would show her base; she is pedagogue but not an analyzer; she has bias and cannot be a fine psycho analyst; people who always talk Tamil, Tamil culture, tamizhinam etc are absolute hypocrites as well as plotters against the nation; if you say Tamil, what kind of Tamil?' hut language?; Coimbatore?; kamba Ramayana?; karunanidhi?; ministers of TamilNadu?; if Tamil differs so much where the Tamil culture and Inam? IS Gurubak Singh different from venkataraman from perachi from bala nair?
Hence there shall be a base structure, analysis, data management, limitations, and freedom of speech, unedited versions and center point, relevant to the nature of the country, while choosing a topic. It requires lot of research and balanced mind. We don’t have it hence Jerry finger show. It kindles the relationships without apathy. When “why men don’t want to marry the city girl “is a topic, there is no other way than to listen, to conduct question of women. One cannot shout out by asking “do you have mother sister” etc. Even CG has all of them. Will someone look at askance when his woman has kooda -natpu? Will CG declare that “what right man has, women also have”-on this friendship?
Periyar talked tall but Lady Nagammai was wearing only saree and that man should have insisted on liberty to wear something else---any society is based on Man only-that’s nature. In nature woman has the choice of sex is only wrt lions and animals----not human.
The westerners has no unruly elements as described in shows as if westerners are always endowed only with the MOD culture, where men and women, flout modesty . NO. You can see the majority living honorably like Indians. Their value of life is different including sex, and they focus with the progress. They have a separate word called FAMILY because they love it and work towards it. . As a matter of fact the highest HIV is in Africa and India (Asia).
That kind of life value is in Kerala. So never expose ignorance with the authority so called of certain panelists.Mr. C n writes for money or else will he get deployed in ones service and write and earn against him also?Do you mean to say he does not know to distinguish. Let him do his job and never make that kind as panelists. When a mother wanted to stop the sugar eating of her son and came to Ramakrishna Paramahamsar, he took time before advising or preaching to that son, in order to qualify by himself. So “whichever way you wish I can talk” cannot be panelists but patti mantra pechaalar.
His observation is absurd. Village women frowns against disrespect but she will never allow anyone to disrespect her husband even if he is weak in character; Why there are so many diverse cases in the city to day? Does abortion denote only immoral character? The percentage of 21 districts will only be higher than the city-naturally.
Somerset Maugham said that author shall not speak as characters but the best writers think the perfect character speaking as they are. Let there be better style of CG; I am sorry I said “mere CG” and not Mr CG because 20 or 25 year girl called him so and it was accepted by him. In India when the 1-800 call is answered (especially cards)- just born kid calls by singular name in India (even women are addressed only like that) but western culture uses the Mr. or Ms whenever addressed; whose culture is good? We take the waste and purchase wastes while forsaking the goodness of the apple.
Thank you .
I THINK THEREFORE I AM 2
Men in majority are incapable doing anything smart till 40 and later when they get the spark can’t do anything without women. I said Majority. Present youth prefer to be a appearance of velour outside and the glowing fear of failures. INSTEAD OF SEEING WRING TAMIL FILMS WHERE HEROES TREAT THESE KIDS AS CRAP OF WHICH THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE, READ POSITIVE THINGING AND PROVE TO THE OTHER SEX THAT YOU ARE A NATURE'S CREATION AND NOT A STRAW. One who respects his mother shall respect the womanhood of nature's creation absolute; again here I am not talking about the women world crossing the limitations under the illusions.
I THINK THEREFORE I AM 3
A comment by some lady:
A commentator Reply in face book:
why xxxxxxx all u r quotes r for men. then listen to my quote"cook tasty food the same way for ur husband the same way u expect u r daughter in law shud cook for u r son". Howzatt
My comments:
I read the comments of xxxxxxx and what he meant as “men suffering under women” is subject to one preview & right track. Where the malaise lie(the problem of current day men suffocating against women especially as wife) .
All wives try to find their way thru stomach of the husbands only. However the defective tool is husbands. Today Husbands are carrier for wives and the youth had become sub-serviette to them and not as friends. When a man is a man, a woman will be a woman. Men in 20s to 30s roam around on hotels and parties ,even when the woman use her discretion; then after spoiling the mental makeup of women , afterwards regret their woman can’t do this and that. H & W relation is never a master and servant one; neither it’s an irresponsible tour of the life as girl-friend. The maturity of the men is naturally accepted as the boss of the home and that tend the husbands to take her as his life partner. Do men folks do it? You want them to dress MOD and you feel later” it shall not be”. Married life is a long road to cherish for generations to come and not just fun.
This openning material I liked from the blog and on that basis I express my views on general and special paths of Neey Naana of Mr Gopinath:
I’m neither spiritual nor religious: Gobinath
Understanding of god in the words of Mr C G as seen in the blog Understand yourself well and then you will understand the rest. Certainly, god never helps those who are lazy and do not believe in the maxim, ‘work is worship’. One cannot rule out the role of destiny in his life. Some call it as ‘luck’ and the others name it as ‘god’s grace’. One should sincerely work towards one’s goal without any expectation. If one makes the sincere effort, then that itself would pay the result to him. It has been reiterated as, Deivatthaal aagathenum muyarchi mei varuttha kuli tharum by Tiruvalluvar.
Spiritual beliefs
I’m neither spiritual nor religious. One is not happy with what he has and always feels that others are lucky and better off. And that’s because of his mind which shows he hasn’t understood life in a proper way. Spiritual beliefs are to be integrated with emotional relationships.
This has helped me to experience life as a journey of growth and let go off fear. When someone says, ‘You are doing a good job’, I feel happy and great. The set of Neeya Naana, my training academy, Taalkshop, and my home are close to my heart.
Meditation and awakening
Meditation is an exercise which you give to your conscience to make it active. Awakening makes you to know if you’re a good person or not. It’s a bliss to realise awakening.
(C Gobinath hosts a popular show, Neeya Naana, on Vijay TV)
Topics:
Gobinath,
Neeya Naana,
vijay TV
My observations dated 16th Jan 2012.
Gopinath is striving to rise up with varied strategies and good luck. However what’s being done by him is a JERRY FINGER SHOW AS in USA TELEVISION. Of course he has a director and producer and TV who shall earn by hook or crook and CG is helpless. The show shall have the fine thinkers with knowledge and presentation; it happened with me is not welcome.; Judges should analyze thread bear which require higher caliber than the participants..
Bookish burping and credibility lacking talkers without basis mislead the mass; after all the judges like Dr.S if I were there would show her base; she is pedagogue but not an analyzer; she has bias and cannot be a fine psycho analyst; people who always talk Tamil, Tamil culture, tamizhinam etc are absolute hypocrites as well as plotters against the nation; if you say Tamil, what kind of Tamil?' hut language?; Coimbatore?; kamba Ramayana?; karunanidhi?; ministers of TamilNadu?; if Tamil differs so much where the Tamil culture and Inam? IS Gurubak Singh different from venkataraman from perachi from bala nair?
Hence there shall be a base structure, analysis, data management, limitations, and freedom of speech, unedited versions and center point, relevant to the nature of the country, while choosing a topic. It requires lot of research and balanced mind. We don’t have it hence Jerry finger show. It kindles the relationships without apathy. When “why men don’t want to marry the city girl “is a topic, there is no other way than to listen, to conduct question of women. One cannot shout out by asking “do you have mother sister” etc. Even CG has all of them. Will someone look at askance when his woman has kooda -natpu? Will CG declare that “what right man has, women also have”-on this friendship?
Periyar talked tall but Lady Nagammai was wearing only saree and that man should have insisted on liberty to wear something else---any society is based on Man only-that’s nature. In nature woman has the choice of sex is only wrt lions and animals----not human.
The westerners has no unruly elements as described in shows as if westerners are always endowed only with the MOD culture, where men and women, flout modesty . NO. You can see the majority living honorably like Indians. Their value of life is different including sex, and they focus with the progress. They have a separate word called FAMILY because they love it and work towards it. . As a matter of fact the highest HIV is in Africa and India (Asia).
That kind of life value is in Kerala. So never expose ignorance with the authority so called of certain panelists.Mr. C n writes for money or else will he get deployed in ones service and write and earn against him also?Do you mean to say he does not know to distinguish. Let him do his job and never make that kind as panelists. When a mother wanted to stop the sugar eating of her son and came to Ramakrishna Paramahamsar, he took time before advising or preaching to that son, in order to qualify by himself. So “whichever way you wish I can talk” cannot be panelists but patti mantra pechaalar.
His observation is absurd. Village women frowns against disrespect but she will never allow anyone to disrespect her husband even if he is weak in character; Why there are so many diverse cases in the city to day? Does abortion denote only immoral character? The percentage of 21 districts will only be higher than the city-naturally.
Somerset Maugham said that author shall not speak as characters but the best writers think the perfect character speaking as they are. Let there be better style of CG; I am sorry I said “mere CG” and not Mr CG because 20 or 25 year girl called him so and it was accepted by him. In India when the 1-800 call is answered (especially cards)- just born kid calls by singular name in India (even women are addressed only like that) but western culture uses the Mr. or Ms whenever addressed; whose culture is good? We take the waste and purchase wastes while forsaking the goodness of the apple.
Thank you .
I THINK THEREFORE I AM 2
Men in majority are incapable doing anything smart till 40 and later when they get the spark can’t do anything without women. I said Majority. Present youth prefer to be a appearance of velour outside and the glowing fear of failures. INSTEAD OF SEEING WRING TAMIL FILMS WHERE HEROES TREAT THESE KIDS AS CRAP OF WHICH THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE, READ POSITIVE THINGING AND PROVE TO THE OTHER SEX THAT YOU ARE A NATURE'S CREATION AND NOT A STRAW. One who respects his mother shall respect the womanhood of nature's creation absolute; again here I am not talking about the women world crossing the limitations under the illusions.
I THINK THEREFORE I AM 3
A comment by some lady:
A commentator Reply in face book:
why xxxxxxx all u r quotes r for men. then listen to my quote"cook tasty food the same way for ur husband the same way u expect u r daughter in law shud cook for u r son". Howzatt
My comments:
I read the comments of xxxxxxx and what he meant as “men suffering under women” is subject to one preview & right track. Where the malaise lie(the problem of current day men suffocating against women especially as wife) .
All wives try to find their way thru stomach of the husbands only. However the defective tool is husbands. Today Husbands are carrier for wives and the youth had become sub-serviette to them and not as friends. When a man is a man, a woman will be a woman. Men in 20s to 30s roam around on hotels and parties ,even when the woman use her discretion; then after spoiling the mental makeup of women , afterwards regret their woman can’t do this and that. H & W relation is never a master and servant one; neither it’s an irresponsible tour of the life as girl-friend. The maturity of the men is naturally accepted as the boss of the home and that tend the husbands to take her as his life partner. Do men folks do it? You want them to dress MOD and you feel later” it shall not be”. Married life is a long road to cherish for generations to come and not just fun.
Sunday, October 2, 2011
ON KARMA, FATE, AND FUTURE
There was a conversation on the positive thinking and acting for progressive life. My friend was assertive that nothing goes beyond karma or fate written already. Life is not Jinga lala, as some advertisement says. Hence only the best never rises up. On the contrary, the one at the bottom makes surprise upcoming. Politics and the cine-field is one such.
2 Can it be denied? No. Its truth. Every conscious knows the cause of its success or failure genuinely. However, for outside world, the tongue elaborately twists the causes. Well. Human live unabashedly. Hypocrisy thy name is human factor. Then can we close at it? Can one however hard the truth may be, if he sits with folded hands, will survive? You may say that if his fate is to die like that then? O K. Is it life solution or meaningful life?
3. Stress is a greater subject from then till now. Stress keeps the body and the mind tied down without the movements. Sat chit anandam is the truth and the worldly happiness is Maya, as seen in scriptures. However melancholy is not welcome which mars the sustenance and the actions of life. Opposite of stress is the action and the action is the Karma. The first stress counselor was Lord Krishna and he counseled the Bhagavat Gita, for the stressed man Arjun.
4. Gita is the stress reliever book, whereas as we read the commentary of the westerner for Vedas, so do we read a lot of the western thoughts on stress. Don’t we?
5. Karma is written already and is an absolute truth and stress is equally unwanted also. Then does it not say that the life comprises of certain” uncertain truth “and also “leads kindly light” to lead a righteous, resounding path, knowing fully well the uncertainty. That’s the route of the “sthitha pragnan” or normal mans path-drive starting from the zero velocity to the unlimited.
6. The cause of the stress is inaction, indecisiveness, and imbalance. Arjuna was under duress and the Himalayan stress made him forget who is he? He forgot to pursue the required routine action. Why? He thought that he shall be killing his close relatives, Guru, Grand parents, brothers etc which according to him presumed as immoral activities bringing him disrepute, displeasure in the society and a forbidden act.
7. These tantrums made him forego his duty for which he was born here. He felt that the destiny will operate in case he is justified—written already. He threw his weapons, and remained without action.
8. He was lucky. His theory of G O K (god only knows) was modified by G by issue of a G O in 700 plus counseling, stressing GOK and Arjuna at last O K ed it.
9. Arjun had the authority only to act continuously, without the expectations of the result. What kind of action? Mere acting for the sake? No. Active participation to the best of his ability and right attitude. He has to remain unmindful of the results. He was born to work, act and motivate others to act. Acting without purpose? Acting without aims? Acting without a goal? No. Everyone is born to do his duty-for the purpose for which he is driven to act. That is written according to the karma-balance sheet.
10. When each single cell is splitting, when the five senses are always in actions, how the six senses creature can remain inactive, shifting the blame on fate? It’s not a pep-observation. It’s true. When the human architecture knows that the matter can neither be created nor be destroyed, how the action can result in success or failure of which he is frightened about. Everything existed before and all things will continue to exist and the action can only be progressive and definitely not be vice-versa. How?
11. All actions have equal and opposite reactions, viz reaction is also an action. Matter may change shape; matter can be positive for few and negative in appearance for many. Many positive when totaled remain positive and many negatives end positive ultimately (Maths). Therefore intensified actions would result in positive frames only at the end of the tunnel, only expectations of the fruitions spoil the sport. Ends justify the means.
12. Therefore why should you act or work for the fruition? After all fruition is only a short goal towards long achievements not within the frame work of the human constitution. Set a goal and step forward and be progressive in every step of action. There is no disappointment. All are written but what is written is known only at the end of the tunnel and not before. You are not action but you are a tool to act and the duty of the sthitha pragnan is even though written, does not produce stress. If there be the pain cry –this is another action. In pleasure laugh it away—this is another action. But arise, awake and stop not, that’s what Vivekananda said for the same reason of action. Again like westerner it’s not a pep-writing, YAYEVAM VEDA, it’s true.
13. Deivathar agadeninum muyarchi
Mei varutha cooly tharum. –Tirukkural.
Action not only avoids stress but even assuming that GOD failed to reward, yet the concentrated, focused action, shall be justified appropriately. He also said that those who act non-chalantly and progressively with a purpose may defeat the fate. Gita takes it from multiple Upanishads and they in turn take them from Vedas. Active karma a matter is indestructible, so one need not seek them; active karma changes shape as Karma of the past tied to the soul with which one is born, and continues its travel, as per Karma –which is written already.
14. Hence no one can escape karma at presenti as well as the karma of the past, accounted for, which automatically renders into results of the future, which one has to take by course of action that one shall think and act ,not as kartha-real, but as Kartha-tool. Then there is no stress, strife or stampede. One is on the conveyor belt where action and reaction shall modify into further action and reaction which are Dharmic-results. Belt is not under one’s control but one has to react with the action of the belt.
END IN PRESENT
2 Can it be denied? No. Its truth. Every conscious knows the cause of its success or failure genuinely. However, for outside world, the tongue elaborately twists the causes. Well. Human live unabashedly. Hypocrisy thy name is human factor. Then can we close at it? Can one however hard the truth may be, if he sits with folded hands, will survive? You may say that if his fate is to die like that then? O K. Is it life solution or meaningful life?
3. Stress is a greater subject from then till now. Stress keeps the body and the mind tied down without the movements. Sat chit anandam is the truth and the worldly happiness is Maya, as seen in scriptures. However melancholy is not welcome which mars the sustenance and the actions of life. Opposite of stress is the action and the action is the Karma. The first stress counselor was Lord Krishna and he counseled the Bhagavat Gita, for the stressed man Arjun.
4. Gita is the stress reliever book, whereas as we read the commentary of the westerner for Vedas, so do we read a lot of the western thoughts on stress. Don’t we?
5. Karma is written already and is an absolute truth and stress is equally unwanted also. Then does it not say that the life comprises of certain” uncertain truth “and also “leads kindly light” to lead a righteous, resounding path, knowing fully well the uncertainty. That’s the route of the “sthitha pragnan” or normal mans path-drive starting from the zero velocity to the unlimited.
6. The cause of the stress is inaction, indecisiveness, and imbalance. Arjuna was under duress and the Himalayan stress made him forget who is he? He forgot to pursue the required routine action. Why? He thought that he shall be killing his close relatives, Guru, Grand parents, brothers etc which according to him presumed as immoral activities bringing him disrepute, displeasure in the society and a forbidden act.
7. These tantrums made him forego his duty for which he was born here. He felt that the destiny will operate in case he is justified—written already. He threw his weapons, and remained without action.
8. He was lucky. His theory of G O K (god only knows) was modified by G by issue of a G O in 700 plus counseling, stressing GOK and Arjuna at last O K ed it.
9. Arjun had the authority only to act continuously, without the expectations of the result. What kind of action? Mere acting for the sake? No. Active participation to the best of his ability and right attitude. He has to remain unmindful of the results. He was born to work, act and motivate others to act. Acting without purpose? Acting without aims? Acting without a goal? No. Everyone is born to do his duty-for the purpose for which he is driven to act. That is written according to the karma-balance sheet.
10. When each single cell is splitting, when the five senses are always in actions, how the six senses creature can remain inactive, shifting the blame on fate? It’s not a pep-observation. It’s true. When the human architecture knows that the matter can neither be created nor be destroyed, how the action can result in success or failure of which he is frightened about. Everything existed before and all things will continue to exist and the action can only be progressive and definitely not be vice-versa. How?
11. All actions have equal and opposite reactions, viz reaction is also an action. Matter may change shape; matter can be positive for few and negative in appearance for many. Many positive when totaled remain positive and many negatives end positive ultimately (Maths). Therefore intensified actions would result in positive frames only at the end of the tunnel, only expectations of the fruitions spoil the sport. Ends justify the means.
12. Therefore why should you act or work for the fruition? After all fruition is only a short goal towards long achievements not within the frame work of the human constitution. Set a goal and step forward and be progressive in every step of action. There is no disappointment. All are written but what is written is known only at the end of the tunnel and not before. You are not action but you are a tool to act and the duty of the sthitha pragnan is even though written, does not produce stress. If there be the pain cry –this is another action. In pleasure laugh it away—this is another action. But arise, awake and stop not, that’s what Vivekananda said for the same reason of action. Again like westerner it’s not a pep-writing, YAYEVAM VEDA, it’s true.
13. Deivathar agadeninum muyarchi
Mei varutha cooly tharum. –Tirukkural.
Action not only avoids stress but even assuming that GOD failed to reward, yet the concentrated, focused action, shall be justified appropriately. He also said that those who act non-chalantly and progressively with a purpose may defeat the fate. Gita takes it from multiple Upanishads and they in turn take them from Vedas. Active karma a matter is indestructible, so one need not seek them; active karma changes shape as Karma of the past tied to the soul with which one is born, and continues its travel, as per Karma –which is written already.
14. Hence no one can escape karma at presenti as well as the karma of the past, accounted for, which automatically renders into results of the future, which one has to take by course of action that one shall think and act ,not as kartha-real, but as Kartha-tool. Then there is no stress, strife or stampede. One is on the conveyor belt where action and reaction shall modify into further action and reaction which are Dharmic-results. Belt is not under one’s control but one has to react with the action of the belt.
END IN PRESENT
Thursday, September 8, 2011
Why I’d rather be Anna than Arundhati
Why I’d rather be Anna than Arundhati
Posted on August 23, 2011 by Mr. Clarity
Keyar NOTE: Actually it’s an article of righteous path. I had the pleasure of seeing the youth sparkling and the usual methods of Govt crushing out the enthusiasm, in the footsteps of Arundathi, as happened with JP movements long ago. By nature we Indians always lack the tenacity to be bold, within the reasonable level. We compromise on errors even at home, under the pretext of keeping safe and in peace. ALL THE BOLD LETTERS ARE MY (keyartax) observations in that light while always stand for GOOD MOVEMENTS, yet have the reservations unlike Mrs. Arundathi Roy, and chivalrous cong members.
Clarity There was an article in The Hindu today by Arundhati against the movement for Janlokpal, she’s eloquent as usual, and she misses the point, pretty much as usual. In this article I am trying to talk about the points she raised and hopefully when we are done we might have a broader perspective of this movement than what Arundhati has projected.
Keyar As a matter of fact Mr. Ram stood on ANNA, s end and against his old friend P C on the other side. We were in the same college. Hindu is famous for investigative journalism on corruption long ago(Gun scandal). I wonder whether the Janlok pal bill was understood in that good intended prospect, and not under legal frames. Mr. Ram in Times Now elucidated it well. Forget ARoy as she always understood all finer aspects of life perversely &negatively, as a matter of strategy to sell.
Clarity Arundhati’s most important gripe seems to be that the people in the movement are raising slogans like – (a) Vande Mataram (b) Bharat Mata ki jai (c) India is Anna, Anna is India (d) Jai Hindi. Would she prefer if they said (a) India Hai Hai (b) Indian govt murdabad (c) Jeeve-jeeve Pakistan, when they come out on the streets to demand that the Indian government creates a better system for our people?
Keyar She perhaps forgot that slogans are communicative organ to project a unified movement. Her articles feminine contained such coined communications which made her popular in a particular ring. Vande Mataram is prostrating before mother and perhaps she thinks the same thing in English so the impact is not felt.
Clarity She’s lying when she says that the slogans are the answer you get when you ask questions about Janlokpal. The team that’s running Janlokpal has made every attempt to talk to anyone who is concerned about it, and to alleviate all their doubts. For months there was a public referendum on the provisions of Janlokpal, very openly, and lots of provisions were rejected, modified, and adapted according to the inputs of the people. This is a fact, not what Arundhati is saying.
Keyar Janlokpal is questioned by her and alike but did she ever question the lokpal similarly? Moreover leave alone JLP bill---did any one questioned Gandhi at the time of freedom movements or questioned varied issues in our country looked dubious? I am nor trying to stop the freedom of speech but raises an issue of impartial interrogation.JLP is simple---Government procedures shall be executed as intended for the welfare state, without the interference of the Judiciary, unless warranted for----so that INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT AFFECTED WHATEVER THEIR STATUS MAYBE. Honest attempt- as and when the implementations get deviated from the straight path ,we will suitably set it in course. Had people like Arundathi Roy envisaged questioning on various legal measures at the introduction, so many hours of court timings could have been saved as well as more parliament time could havKeyar Janlokpal is questioned by her and alike but did she ever question the lokpal similarly? Moreover leave alone JLP bill---did any one questioned Gandhi at the time of freedom movements or questioned varied issues in our country looked dubious? I am nor trying to stop the freedom of speech but raises an issue of impartial interrogation.JLP is simple---Government procedures shall be executed as intended for the welfare state, without the interference of the Judiciary, unless warranted for----so that INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT AFFECTED WHATEVER THEIR STATUS MAYBE. Honest attempt- as and when the implementations get deviated from the straight path ,we will suitably set it in course. Had people like Arundathi Roy envisaged questioning on various legal measures at the introduction, so many hours of court timings could have been saved as well as more parliament time e been saved for other issues without the debate for amendments! Why Hazare alone?
Clarity Even now Anna Hazare and his team has announced that they are open to any public debate on Janlokpal and they will answer all the questions that anyone might have on any issue. Yesterday Arvind Kejriwal and Prashant Bhushan did just that on a popular television network. There are videos of the team members speaking on different aspects of Janlokpal and why we need them that have been online for months.
Keyar Instead the Govt pretend working suddenly to divert the attention of public by eradicating corruption from Kejariwal, Bushan,reddy etc One thing I have to concur with the public that On Preamble to the constitution (which is root),PEOPLE are supreme ,but there after the Parliament alone is which is indirectly concurred by the oppositions also. A politician is always a politician—except when the side they lean, is a tool to remain a politician. It’s well understood and prays tomorrow, people on this side using the preamble cross the floor. Yet I would say there is no two opinions about implementing JLP. Too many discussions spoil the broth.
Clarity Arundhati, lie one caught.
Her second claim is that Janlokpal seeks an overthrow of the Indian state. Lying again. For almost an year now the Janlokpal team has been working with the government, with all the members who care, to frame a strong law against corruption. They’ve met the current government leaders, opposition leaders, chief ministers, individual MPs, talking to them, and telling them why the country needs a strong anti-corruption framework. Is that working to overthrow the state?
They sat on a very hostile government panel and tried everything they could to push their proposals forward in the way government wanted them to. After the government panel wasted the nation’s time and failed to include even one, repeat, even one important proposal of the Janlokpal bill, and instead sought to push their own Jokepal which would prosecute the victims instead of the perpetrators, they decided to sit on a dharna asking the government to make a strong bill.
Let me remind Arundhati that this was done in a perfectly legal and non-violent manner, and Anna is asking this administration to implement Janlokpal, not seeking a new government. Are you trying to tell the people of India that demanding a strong anti-corruption framework amounts to overthrowing the government? Let us hear that again more clearly.
Keyar She is right in the sense that any major movements had done that damage not by satyagrahis but because of the hard core treatment indulged by the state. Gandhi changed the state; anti-Hindi changed the state; poverty anger had changed the states. So be it and when the ruler forgets the role and become egoistic with the vested interests, episode of Padmasuran shall be there. So don’t worry for expressing the vested interests fear.
Clarity Arundhati, lie two caught.
Next she proceeds to tell us that Anna Hazare is a ‘freshly minted saint,’ which should suggest that he has no right to speak against public injustice as apparently, only stale saints are allowed to crusade for India.
Wait a minute though, this freshly minted thing doesn’t sound true at all. Anna Hazare took voluntary retirement from the Army in 1978 and started his campaign to transform Ralegaon Siddhi. All through the next decade he worked hard for the villagers campaigning for things like liquor prohibition, grain banks for the poor, better milk production, creation of more schools (he sat on a fast for this), against untouchability and for collective marriages. In 1991 he started the Bhrashtachar Virodhi Jan Andolan. What was Arundhati doing then? Oh wait, she hadn’t written her first book yet.
Anna Hazare has led many movements against corrupt officials and politicians. Powerful people. People who’ve maligned him, filed false cases against him, and even sent him to jail. He has borne the worst of what the powerful and the corrupt have to offer, unlike Arundhati whose only achievement seems to be making radical statements. It’s a shame that someone like her should call a fighter like Anna a ‘freshly minted saint’.
Keyar There used to be a truth that when the index finger is stretched, three others are stretched against the accuser. Let there be “freshly minted saint in ANNA, what was Gandhi? Wherefrom Mandela? Was Sui daughter of a general? Everyone has a past and some activities and all those do not count at all. Where the deliverance took place and who measured the time-whether those means justify the end? Alone matter. Few quick markers were/are talking about back-up-finance for the movement, nullifying the movement and bullying the kartha. Is there any free version of the movements in the history from Ramayana periods? ANNA movement had the same resources as GANDHI had and unlike our politicians have! Crowd was not paid one. In the days of independence 33 crore as Poet Bharathi puts it, did not walk on the road or found on the platform, but opinion poll showed how frantic indian people were for this movement viz ANNA. One thing-if its insignificant as Arundathi claim, why talk about it at all? Why?. Because they were shaken, it came from nowhere, a Tsunami not forecasted. So there was fear for survival, fear of forgetting the opium feed, fear of earth giving way and the fear of the fall of the Roman Empire. So it was true. Truth shall be thwarted by rulers and their associates but can the truth ever be erased out? We have to wait and see.
Clarity Arundhati, lie three caught
She is also giving a distorted version of the sequence of events that unfolded during Anna’s stay at the Tihar jail. She’s saying that Anna remained in Tihar as a ‘honored guest’. If you are looking for honored guests Arundhati look for Suresh Kalmadi, Kanimozhi, A Raja, Manu Sharma, or Vikas Yadav, maybe even Afzal Guru. Anna isn’t one of them.
Let me remind you that Anna Hazare was picked up from his residence by the Delhi Police. He hadn’t been on the streets murdering people with a gun the night earlier. He was at Rajghat where he sat for an hour in meditation.
The police sent Anna to Tihar in 7 days judicial custody. To prevent what? A non-violent protest against corruption in India. On 16th August nearly 15,000 people of New Delhi and Mumbai courted arrest. They went to JP Park, Azad Maidan, or whatever the venue was in their city, asking the police to arrest them. They did not burn buses, break glasses, or set fire to homes. I have a photograph of the special jail at Chhatrasal Stadium for you here.
The people brought to Chhatrasal Stadium after their arrest.
The government was counting on their belief that no one would come ahead for Anna, and that they would be able to dispose him the way they disposed Baba Ramdev. Unfortunately for them the people of India had had enough. Anna was made an ‘honored guest’ in your words because of all the people who were in the jail, and outside the jail for him.
Why didn’t Anna come out? Because he was asked to (a) go home, (b) leave town. When Anna Hazare asked whether he would be allowed to hold an unconditional protest the Delhi police refused. Anna said that if they release him he would lead the protest and they would have to arrest him again, so it’s better that he remain in jail until the government agrees to let him protest.
Usually when a protest is organized, the people who run the protest have enough time to make preparations. There has to be enough room, and proper arrangements to make sure that the thousands collected are managed properly and without harm. If Anna had gone to the protest before the arrangements were made it could have resulted in utter chaos that might have had serious repercussions for the people gathered. Do you realize that Arundhati?
She also said that Anna’s team whizzed in-and-out of prison and it is a privilege that no one else has. Anna’s team came out when the individuals chose to be released, and when Anna refused to budge Kiran Bedi and other team members were invited by the government to try and negotiate with Anna. How does that compare to Kalmadi having a nice tea-biscuit brunch with the Warden a few days ago? Or Manu Sharma being surreptitiously paroled? Did you hear about them at all?
Keyar Yes he was treated like an honored guest, no doubt, because it became “NAYAR PUDICHA PULIVAL”(HOLDING THE TIGER BY THE TAIL). Govt had acted and instantly reacted undiplomatically. The govt was caught in a whirlpool or quicksand and unless he goes out, it will have to face all problems. Also no more he was a prisoner and therefore what’s wrong if he was treated like honored guest as well as people were allowed to walk in and out. As a matter fact govt did not use the right to “allow” at all! Team was walking in & out. That is why Tiruvalluar said that
ENNI THUNIGA KARUMAM THUNINDA PIN ENNUVAM ENBADU IZHUKKU
In a nut shell “think before you act”. Someone did not do the exercise properly so he became more honorable than others on that day.
Clarity Arundhati, lie four caught.
Her next claim is that MCD worked hard to prepare the grounds. Is that right? I will bet anybody that Arundhati didn’t go to the grounds to inspect the preparations, and she’s talking out of her head again. I went to the ground and saw the state it was in. Here is a photograph for you Arundhati. Do you see the MCD here? Or do you see young people who are rushing to clean the wet mud, trying desperately but in union, to make the place better than a pigsty so that the people could stand.
They dug a little canal to channel the water from the ground into the drains
She's mopping the carpet so that it may become fit to stand on
Even if they weren’t, and even if MCD had sent all their workers to prepare the grounds for Anna Hazare’s protest, would there still be a reason to complain? What MCD did there was its job. The Ramlila Ground is supposed to be maintained by the MCD for massive gatherings. When MCD doesn’t do its job and the grounds is water-logged and mosquito infested, it creates a serious health hazard for everyone who’s there. MCD prepares the grounds for all public protests too. It did the same for Sonia Gandhi’s rally just a few months ago. Arundhati, you want the MCD to not do its job because this protest is not organized by a political party?
Keyar Yes, is she not giving beauty tips to keep fit and beautiful? Does she not keep her house livable? Had he demanded, may be a big Govt retinue would have done the same job, to get him out of the Tihar---He was graceful to be done by MCD. !!
Clarity Arundhati, lie five caught.
She’s upset that the Lokpal has wide-ranging powers of investigation, surveillance and prosecution, and then she uses her amazing writing skills to suggest that Lokpal will practically have everything except their ‘own prisons’. I am on the verge of losing my breakfast!
Arundhati, one would expect someone who questions the Indian legal system so openly to have better knowledge about it. The police has the powers of (a) investigation, (b) surveillance, and (c) prosecution. So does the CBI. How are Lokpal’s power different? The only thing that Anna is asking for is that the Lokpal be a specialized body against corruption and that it must not need to seek permission from anybody to prosecute a corrupt office holder. Our present system puts severe restrictions on the investigative bodies. That’s why a CBI under the prime minister could not file a charge-sheet against A Raja, but when the supreme court took over the investigations A Raja was brought to jail.
Arundhati, I know that you knowingly did not make the point that the powers of Lokpal are limited to investigation, collection of evidence and prosecution. The Lokpal can bring a case to the court, and the judge will then decide on the basis of the presented evidence whether the person is guilty. How is that radically dangerous?
Keyar SHE KNOWS BUT SHE HAS TO BE A MOUTH PIECE FOR SOMEONE. The Rahul team is also telling the same thing. It was commented that JLP is also another CVC, CBI etc. In reality lokpal is like CBI etc. The politician will usurp the powers of others to prevail over the matter, than allowing someone to walk over them. That’s why JPL is dreaded. No loophole then no encroachment on their powers. They also projected the supremacy of the Parliament to that of People, forgetting the PREAMBLE. If they are correct, it’s better to slay a few wrongly than allowing the escaped of many. Don’t thay say to save a village few people can be sacrificed.
Clarity Arundhati, lie six caught.
It’s really amazing to see how Arundhati Roy can go to ridiculous lengths to fill the reader’s mind with garbage against Janlokpal. If you didn’t know about her problems with the Indian government, you could easily imagine she has been paid by it to write the article. She’s actually suggesting that the hawkers who pay the beat constable to set up their stalls might have to pay the ‘lokpal representative’.
Lokpal representative? Now she can frame those words and hang them on the Red fort for all to see and it still wouldn’t become true. The Lokpal is not a policing body. They can’t go and collect ‘hafta’ from the hawker.
When land-owner’s land is grabbed illegally and a mall is built there, or when a poor person’s store is unjustly removed, or when the beat constables or MCD representatives, or other government agency officials unjustly seek bribes from the people, that is corruption. The Lokpal is built to take care of that.
According to the provisions of the Janlokpal Bill, a citizen can make a complaint against an office holder, and the lokpal will investigate the complaint. If it is found true action will be taken. Lokpal is not going to send beat lokpallers to collect hafta from the poor. That’s downright ridiculous and only a fancy imagination could have conceived it.
Keyar Theme of JLP is expeditious justice for all, for whose sake those, constitutions were framed. Let there be few fall outs , but will there be chillness running around the spinal cord? It’s enough.
Clarity Arundhati, lie seven caught.
She also says that the choreography, and aggressive nationalism seems to be like that of anti-reservation. It’s a clear attempt to draw the dalits away from the fight against corruption. And how inappropriate an attempt it is! It is the deprived, the dalits, who have to the bear the worst of corruption. The rich and the influential are filled with upper caste people who can actually use the present system to their advantage because they have money power, influence, and contacts.
The dalits don’t have the same advantages, that’s why when all other things being equal, it is the dalit who stands to lose when they compete with the upper caste. All due to corruption!
Now coming to the choreography. What sort of vague word is that? ‘Choreography’, what are we supposed to understand from it? If she’s talking about the slogans, we’ve already dealt with that. What else could she be talking about?
The anti-reservation protest was fraught with street violence and self-immolations. The people who opposed reservations closed down schools, colleges and offices, burnt buses, had violent clashes with the law, and burnt themselves to death. That hasn’t happened in Anna’s movement. This movement is perfectly peaceful and organized. Even when people are on a march, they stop at the red lights and crossings to let the traffic pass before continuing. What the hell is Arundhati trying to imply with her ‘Choreography’ then?
Keyar Dalit, reservations etc are political trump cards to use and throw but the base people of >60% ,even after 60 yrs of freedom, had never even see the light at the end of the tunnel. These issues never raised their levels because of corruption only. The main root is corruption at every level, especially in the base level. Politicians may accuse them of having received the money for voting and so they have to be taken back in some shape. But had the dubbavallahs, street vendors, small shoppers etc are allowed their individual freedom within the four corners of the existing law, it not only reduces the other drawbacks like daliths freedom etc, but also allow the law executors to function as per law, which would deter the same community to behave orderly. When discipline returns to the society, dignity of the labor shall be felt. So root cause must be mitigated, if not totally erasable. Then so many other issues of the society will be properly regulated. Among the “n “issues, corruption of all kinds assume importance and the entire world is looking at us, to turn a new leaf. In this respect the juggernaut shall be allowed to be moved, instead of criticizing the magnitude, so that , majority of the other issues will merge in this for solutions without any expectations. In the end there will be paltry issues waiting for the answer. Lets think about them when we cross the bridge. Please don’t upset the apple cart.
Clarity Arundhati, lie eight caught.
The next bit is very cruel. She craftily tries to separate Irom Sharmila, Bastar, Jaitapur, from the fast and implies by extension that Anna Hazare does not oppose Posco, or the farmer deaths in Maharashtra, or any of the other myriad problems that our country is battling right now. This couldn’t be furthest from truth.
Unlike Arundhati, Anna Hazare has recognized that too many of the problems that our country is facing are a direct result of corruption. That’s why a Madhu Koda is able to earn thousands of crores in graft money directly depriving the adivasis. That’s why Yeduyarappa is able to give illegal miners a free hand. That’s why Bastar and Irom, and Niyamgiri exist. Because of corruption.
If our framework made the responsible people accountable, it would create a huge difference in all of these issues. Imagine a bastar free of poachers, miners and land grabbers, a maharashtra village where the government’s benefits schemes are truly implemented. Forget all the other instances, just imagine what Manrega can really do for the people if it is implemented honestly.
You’ve also claimed that Anna doesn’t care about the farmers in Maharashtra, or in other places, even though he has spent his entire demonstratively in fighting for the poor and deprived villagers and farmers. Maybe you didn’t hear about this because you were too busy hobnobbing with India haters.
Arundathi, I believe that fighting corruption is fighting on behalf of all the people you’ve named, and not against them. If you believe otherwise, give me your reasons.
Keyar I explained above elsewhere the same thing. Individual freedoms deliver the fruition of the rights encompassing the duties.
Clarity Arundhati, lie nine caught.
The next slander if of course the ultimate weapon that anyone can hurl at Anna. That he supports Raj Thackarey or Narendra Modi’s alleged wrongdoings. This is a joke, specially in sight of the fact that many of the hardliners aligned with the BJP, the hindu-brigade, and Narendra Modi are up with cudgles against Anna Hazare. They’re making the claim that Anna Hazare is an agent of Congress, propped up by Congress to facilitate the crowning of Rahul Gandhi.
The communists have no love for Hazare, the right wingers have no love for Hazare, and the Congress has no love for Hazare. My God! He must be awesomely right!
Answering your gripe, Anna Hazare has said it publicly multiple times that he is against any oppressive actions targeted against any community and that he supports a system that gives equal rights to all citizens irrespective of their religion.
And if you think you were succeeding in your nefarious scheme to distance the muslims from the movement, you’ve failed. Muslims as a community have lent their support to Anna Hazare in a massive way. Many Imams and Maulavis have made public statements, and the Dar-ul-Uloom, which is the biggest body of Muslims in India has said that it is the duty of every Muslim and citizen of India to support Anna Hazare. If they are wrong, then you must know something that they don’t. Care to share?
You’ve also brought the ‘Youth for equality’ into this. So what if Anna’s movement is supported by the Youth for Equality? It is also supported by the All India Youth Federation. Let me show you a pic of AIYF activists who marched against corruption for Anna. Lest you’ve forgotten the AIYF is the youth wing of the Communist Party of India.
They supported Anna because they want a corruption free India
Do you realize that when it comes to this fight against corruption Anna does not choose who supports him. He gratefully accepts their support. Of course he doesn’t give them anything in return except a law that’s strongly against corruption.
That’s why the Gyan Das Akhara of Ayodhya, and Hashim Ansari, the famous anti-temple litigator have jointly expressed support for Anna Hazare. Do you have the courage to rise above your own pettiness?
Keyar Every problem has a solution. So every act will have a reaction. In a movement, the cause and effect are not the wishes of the Karma yogi. In the midst of storage of water in a dam, many trees could be felled. No one can say all floods are intended only to fell the tree. Karmanyevadikaraste Ma Paleshu Katakana, since good things will have stiff opposition but all good things will not deliver any wrong babies.
Clarity Arundhati, lie ten caught.
You are also very misinformed, or maybe you choose to present wrong information to the people. You have said that ‘Kabir’ is an NGO run by Arvind Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia. Actually Arvind Kejriwal does not run Kabir. He is an executive member because Manish Sisodia is an old associate from Parivartan, but he does not manage it, or intervene in it. It is managed by Manish Sisodia. Arvind Kejriwal’s foundation is the PCRF. They have received no donation from Ford. Their balance sheets are available on their website for public inspection. Have a look at all the money this foundation has.
Arvind started this foundation with 14 lakhs, the money he got with his Magsaysay Award. He used it for public cause and to support RTI in India.
The PCRF maintains complete accounts for the present anti-corruption movement too. Details of all incoming donations are available on the website of India Against Corruption, and expenses are detailed too. You should have a look at that.
The amount Kabir has received as donation from Ford is $200,00 and not $400,000 as you claimed. This is verifyable form the website of the ford foundation (http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/search). You could have done well to note that this donation has nothing to do with the present movement, but you did not. I will do this for you here. This donation was made in 2011 to Kabir to promote the use of RTI in India, and not to support the India against corruption movement.
1 Keyar Genuine ACTIONS can be questioned viz Individual freedom under the constitution really. Genuine Individual or trust or any organization will never be bothered since THAN NENJARIVADU POYYARKKA” (LET YOUR CONSCIOUS BE CLEAR), HENCE THOSE WHO HARASS WILL FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.
2 There was a program in Tamil TV (VIJAY), on this issue recently. Mr. Gopinath presented and questioned the versions of Arundathi but never presented these answers at all. Why?
3 So many writers, social workers and cross section of the society focus their thinking, only with reference to their goal and I that process, demand greater focus of their issue or demand attention for their cause only. In this process, they miss the Root-cause of the problem and weigh with reference to the nationality, statehood, caste, creed, sufferings of a sectional tribe etc.
4 Progress of a cross section may be important but not at others cost. Its said that even at the cost of losing your mother, never commit to wrong doings. If the country progress as Indian, and where the mind is without fear, issues remaining unsolved for decades ,remaining unsupported, shall get the positive answer, without detriment to the neighbour. At the root such things can happen only when corruption of every kind is reduced, to function ethically. SHE KNOWS BUT PRETENDS.
Clarity Arundhati, lie eleven caught.
You say next that the present bill fails to bring the corporates and the NGOs against the ambit of Lokpal. Does our present legal system allow that? Does our present legal system allow surveillance of the functioning of privately funded NGOs or corporate bodies in the same manner that it allows the surveillance of government organisations? The legal experts have said no, and this is the reason according to the team that they are not proposing this at the present time.
What you’ve forgotten is the fact that it is the government system that’s the worst offender when it comes to corruption, because it allows its misuse by the private sector resulting in the problems you’ve mentioned. There are already checks and systems to prevent and prosecute the wrong-doings of the private sector, but they are compromised because the investigative bodies are in the graft, or their masters are.
If we can make this start by creating a law that forces the government systems to work properly it will undoubtedly lead to better handling of the private sector too. Can you imagine the telecom companies benefiting from 2G the way they did if they didn’t have A Raja working for them? Or the various private companies making huge profits from CWG tenders if Kalmadi and Sheila Dikshit didn’t back them so brazenly?
Anna’s team has given the commitment to keep fighting, to further the cause, and take fresh measures to rid the people of corruption once the Janlokpal bill is in place. By making the Janlokpal bill an excuse to talk about all the different malaise we have you are attempting to short-circuit the anti-corruption drive itself. How is fighting government corruption any less holier than fighting corruption in private organisations?
Keyar When the society functions normally, without fear or favor, sub-roots corruptions will vanish in the thin air as there may not be God-fathers. On the contrary as I said elsewhere, when the Juggernaut moves, there is always room for improvements, since whatever is added for functional norm, may have the same repercussions. The proof of pudding is in the eating. But Arundathi and Co, never allow the stove to burn!
Clarity Arundhati, lie twelve caught.
The only sense you are making is in the last paragraph when you say that Anna’s movement is the result of the failure of the legislature which is filled with criminals and millionaire politicians who have ceased to represent their people. You know, that’s exactly the point that Anna Hazare has been making. Our MPs are totally living in denial of the people’s needs and aspirations. They believe that 9% growth of GDP is an achievement worth having 11% food inflation for. It is their corrupt mindset and disconnect which must be challenged, and that’s exactly what Anna is doing when he mobilizes people in such a massive manner against corruption. The fact is, we should all be thankful to Anna Hazare for reminding the MPs that a democracy is not just made up of the parliament, but also of the people.
Keyar I told you. Everyone knows. However main stream fear for their status which may be dismantled. There is Karnan of Mahabharatha, who has to work for the salt. So Many so forth. In spite of all these things of pros and cons, will of the people shall prevail only if the people keep awake whatever the circumstances. Arise awake and stop not and god bless the country and the people.
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Posted on August 23, 2011 by Mr. Clarity
Keyar NOTE: Actually it’s an article of righteous path. I had the pleasure of seeing the youth sparkling and the usual methods of Govt crushing out the enthusiasm, in the footsteps of Arundathi, as happened with JP movements long ago. By nature we Indians always lack the tenacity to be bold, within the reasonable level. We compromise on errors even at home, under the pretext of keeping safe and in peace. ALL THE BOLD LETTERS ARE MY (keyartax) observations in that light while always stand for GOOD MOVEMENTS, yet have the reservations unlike Mrs. Arundathi Roy, and chivalrous cong members.
Clarity There was an article in The Hindu today by Arundhati against the movement for Janlokpal, she’s eloquent as usual, and she misses the point, pretty much as usual. In this article I am trying to talk about the points she raised and hopefully when we are done we might have a broader perspective of this movement than what Arundhati has projected.
Keyar As a matter of fact Mr. Ram stood on ANNA, s end and against his old friend P C on the other side. We were in the same college. Hindu is famous for investigative journalism on corruption long ago(Gun scandal). I wonder whether the Janlok pal bill was understood in that good intended prospect, and not under legal frames. Mr. Ram in Times Now elucidated it well. Forget ARoy as she always understood all finer aspects of life perversely &negatively, as a matter of strategy to sell.
Clarity Arundhati’s most important gripe seems to be that the people in the movement are raising slogans like – (a) Vande Mataram (b) Bharat Mata ki jai (c) India is Anna, Anna is India (d) Jai Hindi. Would she prefer if they said (a) India Hai Hai (b) Indian govt murdabad (c) Jeeve-jeeve Pakistan, when they come out on the streets to demand that the Indian government creates a better system for our people?
Keyar She perhaps forgot that slogans are communicative organ to project a unified movement. Her articles feminine contained such coined communications which made her popular in a particular ring. Vande Mataram is prostrating before mother and perhaps she thinks the same thing in English so the impact is not felt.
Clarity She’s lying when she says that the slogans are the answer you get when you ask questions about Janlokpal. The team that’s running Janlokpal has made every attempt to talk to anyone who is concerned about it, and to alleviate all their doubts. For months there was a public referendum on the provisions of Janlokpal, very openly, and lots of provisions were rejected, modified, and adapted according to the inputs of the people. This is a fact, not what Arundhati is saying.
Keyar Janlokpal is questioned by her and alike but did she ever question the lokpal similarly? Moreover leave alone JLP bill---did any one questioned Gandhi at the time of freedom movements or questioned varied issues in our country looked dubious? I am nor trying to stop the freedom of speech but raises an issue of impartial interrogation.JLP is simple---Government procedures shall be executed as intended for the welfare state, without the interference of the Judiciary, unless warranted for----so that INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT AFFECTED WHATEVER THEIR STATUS MAYBE. Honest attempt- as and when the implementations get deviated from the straight path ,we will suitably set it in course. Had people like Arundathi Roy envisaged questioning on various legal measures at the introduction, so many hours of court timings could have been saved as well as more parliament time could havKeyar Janlokpal is questioned by her and alike but did she ever question the lokpal similarly? Moreover leave alone JLP bill---did any one questioned Gandhi at the time of freedom movements or questioned varied issues in our country looked dubious? I am nor trying to stop the freedom of speech but raises an issue of impartial interrogation.JLP is simple---Government procedures shall be executed as intended for the welfare state, without the interference of the Judiciary, unless warranted for----so that INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT AFFECTED WHATEVER THEIR STATUS MAYBE. Honest attempt- as and when the implementations get deviated from the straight path ,we will suitably set it in course. Had people like Arundathi Roy envisaged questioning on various legal measures at the introduction, so many hours of court timings could have been saved as well as more parliament time e been saved for other issues without the debate for amendments! Why Hazare alone?
Clarity Even now Anna Hazare and his team has announced that they are open to any public debate on Janlokpal and they will answer all the questions that anyone might have on any issue. Yesterday Arvind Kejriwal and Prashant Bhushan did just that on a popular television network. There are videos of the team members speaking on different aspects of Janlokpal and why we need them that have been online for months.
Keyar Instead the Govt pretend working suddenly to divert the attention of public by eradicating corruption from Kejariwal, Bushan,reddy etc One thing I have to concur with the public that On Preamble to the constitution (which is root),PEOPLE are supreme ,but there after the Parliament alone is which is indirectly concurred by the oppositions also. A politician is always a politician—except when the side they lean, is a tool to remain a politician. It’s well understood and prays tomorrow, people on this side using the preamble cross the floor. Yet I would say there is no two opinions about implementing JLP. Too many discussions spoil the broth.
Clarity Arundhati, lie one caught.
Her second claim is that Janlokpal seeks an overthrow of the Indian state. Lying again. For almost an year now the Janlokpal team has been working with the government, with all the members who care, to frame a strong law against corruption. They’ve met the current government leaders, opposition leaders, chief ministers, individual MPs, talking to them, and telling them why the country needs a strong anti-corruption framework. Is that working to overthrow the state?
They sat on a very hostile government panel and tried everything they could to push their proposals forward in the way government wanted them to. After the government panel wasted the nation’s time and failed to include even one, repeat, even one important proposal of the Janlokpal bill, and instead sought to push their own Jokepal which would prosecute the victims instead of the perpetrators, they decided to sit on a dharna asking the government to make a strong bill.
Let me remind Arundhati that this was done in a perfectly legal and non-violent manner, and Anna is asking this administration to implement Janlokpal, not seeking a new government. Are you trying to tell the people of India that demanding a strong anti-corruption framework amounts to overthrowing the government? Let us hear that again more clearly.
Keyar She is right in the sense that any major movements had done that damage not by satyagrahis but because of the hard core treatment indulged by the state. Gandhi changed the state; anti-Hindi changed the state; poverty anger had changed the states. So be it and when the ruler forgets the role and become egoistic with the vested interests, episode of Padmasuran shall be there. So don’t worry for expressing the vested interests fear.
Clarity Arundhati, lie two caught.
Next she proceeds to tell us that Anna Hazare is a ‘freshly minted saint,’ which should suggest that he has no right to speak against public injustice as apparently, only stale saints are allowed to crusade for India.
Wait a minute though, this freshly minted thing doesn’t sound true at all. Anna Hazare took voluntary retirement from the Army in 1978 and started his campaign to transform Ralegaon Siddhi. All through the next decade he worked hard for the villagers campaigning for things like liquor prohibition, grain banks for the poor, better milk production, creation of more schools (he sat on a fast for this), against untouchability and for collective marriages. In 1991 he started the Bhrashtachar Virodhi Jan Andolan. What was Arundhati doing then? Oh wait, she hadn’t written her first book yet.
Anna Hazare has led many movements against corrupt officials and politicians. Powerful people. People who’ve maligned him, filed false cases against him, and even sent him to jail. He has borne the worst of what the powerful and the corrupt have to offer, unlike Arundhati whose only achievement seems to be making radical statements. It’s a shame that someone like her should call a fighter like Anna a ‘freshly minted saint’.
Keyar There used to be a truth that when the index finger is stretched, three others are stretched against the accuser. Let there be “freshly minted saint in ANNA, what was Gandhi? Wherefrom Mandela? Was Sui daughter of a general? Everyone has a past and some activities and all those do not count at all. Where the deliverance took place and who measured the time-whether those means justify the end? Alone matter. Few quick markers were/are talking about back-up-finance for the movement, nullifying the movement and bullying the kartha. Is there any free version of the movements in the history from Ramayana periods? ANNA movement had the same resources as GANDHI had and unlike our politicians have! Crowd was not paid one. In the days of independence 33 crore as Poet Bharathi puts it, did not walk on the road or found on the platform, but opinion poll showed how frantic indian people were for this movement viz ANNA. One thing-if its insignificant as Arundathi claim, why talk about it at all? Why?. Because they were shaken, it came from nowhere, a Tsunami not forecasted. So there was fear for survival, fear of forgetting the opium feed, fear of earth giving way and the fear of the fall of the Roman Empire. So it was true. Truth shall be thwarted by rulers and their associates but can the truth ever be erased out? We have to wait and see.
Clarity Arundhati, lie three caught
She is also giving a distorted version of the sequence of events that unfolded during Anna’s stay at the Tihar jail. She’s saying that Anna remained in Tihar as a ‘honored guest’. If you are looking for honored guests Arundhati look for Suresh Kalmadi, Kanimozhi, A Raja, Manu Sharma, or Vikas Yadav, maybe even Afzal Guru. Anna isn’t one of them.
Let me remind you that Anna Hazare was picked up from his residence by the Delhi Police. He hadn’t been on the streets murdering people with a gun the night earlier. He was at Rajghat where he sat for an hour in meditation.
The police sent Anna to Tihar in 7 days judicial custody. To prevent what? A non-violent protest against corruption in India. On 16th August nearly 15,000 people of New Delhi and Mumbai courted arrest. They went to JP Park, Azad Maidan, or whatever the venue was in their city, asking the police to arrest them. They did not burn buses, break glasses, or set fire to homes. I have a photograph of the special jail at Chhatrasal Stadium for you here.
The people brought to Chhatrasal Stadium after their arrest.
The government was counting on their belief that no one would come ahead for Anna, and that they would be able to dispose him the way they disposed Baba Ramdev. Unfortunately for them the people of India had had enough. Anna was made an ‘honored guest’ in your words because of all the people who were in the jail, and outside the jail for him.
Why didn’t Anna come out? Because he was asked to (a) go home, (b) leave town. When Anna Hazare asked whether he would be allowed to hold an unconditional protest the Delhi police refused. Anna said that if they release him he would lead the protest and they would have to arrest him again, so it’s better that he remain in jail until the government agrees to let him protest.
Usually when a protest is organized, the people who run the protest have enough time to make preparations. There has to be enough room, and proper arrangements to make sure that the thousands collected are managed properly and without harm. If Anna had gone to the protest before the arrangements were made it could have resulted in utter chaos that might have had serious repercussions for the people gathered. Do you realize that Arundhati?
She also said that Anna’s team whizzed in-and-out of prison and it is a privilege that no one else has. Anna’s team came out when the individuals chose to be released, and when Anna refused to budge Kiran Bedi and other team members were invited by the government to try and negotiate with Anna. How does that compare to Kalmadi having a nice tea-biscuit brunch with the Warden a few days ago? Or Manu Sharma being surreptitiously paroled? Did you hear about them at all?
Keyar Yes he was treated like an honored guest, no doubt, because it became “NAYAR PUDICHA PULIVAL”(HOLDING THE TIGER BY THE TAIL). Govt had acted and instantly reacted undiplomatically. The govt was caught in a whirlpool or quicksand and unless he goes out, it will have to face all problems. Also no more he was a prisoner and therefore what’s wrong if he was treated like honored guest as well as people were allowed to walk in and out. As a matter fact govt did not use the right to “allow” at all! Team was walking in & out. That is why Tiruvalluar said that
ENNI THUNIGA KARUMAM THUNINDA PIN ENNUVAM ENBADU IZHUKKU
In a nut shell “think before you act”. Someone did not do the exercise properly so he became more honorable than others on that day.
Clarity Arundhati, lie four caught.
Her next claim is that MCD worked hard to prepare the grounds. Is that right? I will bet anybody that Arundhati didn’t go to the grounds to inspect the preparations, and she’s talking out of her head again. I went to the ground and saw the state it was in. Here is a photograph for you Arundhati. Do you see the MCD here? Or do you see young people who are rushing to clean the wet mud, trying desperately but in union, to make the place better than a pigsty so that the people could stand.
They dug a little canal to channel the water from the ground into the drains
She's mopping the carpet so that it may become fit to stand on
Even if they weren’t, and even if MCD had sent all their workers to prepare the grounds for Anna Hazare’s protest, would there still be a reason to complain? What MCD did there was its job. The Ramlila Ground is supposed to be maintained by the MCD for massive gatherings. When MCD doesn’t do its job and the grounds is water-logged and mosquito infested, it creates a serious health hazard for everyone who’s there. MCD prepares the grounds for all public protests too. It did the same for Sonia Gandhi’s rally just a few months ago. Arundhati, you want the MCD to not do its job because this protest is not organized by a political party?
Keyar Yes, is she not giving beauty tips to keep fit and beautiful? Does she not keep her house livable? Had he demanded, may be a big Govt retinue would have done the same job, to get him out of the Tihar---He was graceful to be done by MCD. !!
Clarity Arundhati, lie five caught.
She’s upset that the Lokpal has wide-ranging powers of investigation, surveillance and prosecution, and then she uses her amazing writing skills to suggest that Lokpal will practically have everything except their ‘own prisons’. I am on the verge of losing my breakfast!
Arundhati, one would expect someone who questions the Indian legal system so openly to have better knowledge about it. The police has the powers of (a) investigation, (b) surveillance, and (c) prosecution. So does the CBI. How are Lokpal’s power different? The only thing that Anna is asking for is that the Lokpal be a specialized body against corruption and that it must not need to seek permission from anybody to prosecute a corrupt office holder. Our present system puts severe restrictions on the investigative bodies. That’s why a CBI under the prime minister could not file a charge-sheet against A Raja, but when the supreme court took over the investigations A Raja was brought to jail.
Arundhati, I know that you knowingly did not make the point that the powers of Lokpal are limited to investigation, collection of evidence and prosecution. The Lokpal can bring a case to the court, and the judge will then decide on the basis of the presented evidence whether the person is guilty. How is that radically dangerous?
Keyar SHE KNOWS BUT SHE HAS TO BE A MOUTH PIECE FOR SOMEONE. The Rahul team is also telling the same thing. It was commented that JLP is also another CVC, CBI etc. In reality lokpal is like CBI etc. The politician will usurp the powers of others to prevail over the matter, than allowing someone to walk over them. That’s why JPL is dreaded. No loophole then no encroachment on their powers. They also projected the supremacy of the Parliament to that of People, forgetting the PREAMBLE. If they are correct, it’s better to slay a few wrongly than allowing the escaped of many. Don’t thay say to save a village few people can be sacrificed.
Clarity Arundhati, lie six caught.
It’s really amazing to see how Arundhati Roy can go to ridiculous lengths to fill the reader’s mind with garbage against Janlokpal. If you didn’t know about her problems with the Indian government, you could easily imagine she has been paid by it to write the article. She’s actually suggesting that the hawkers who pay the beat constable to set up their stalls might have to pay the ‘lokpal representative’.
Lokpal representative? Now she can frame those words and hang them on the Red fort for all to see and it still wouldn’t become true. The Lokpal is not a policing body. They can’t go and collect ‘hafta’ from the hawker.
When land-owner’s land is grabbed illegally and a mall is built there, or when a poor person’s store is unjustly removed, or when the beat constables or MCD representatives, or other government agency officials unjustly seek bribes from the people, that is corruption. The Lokpal is built to take care of that.
According to the provisions of the Janlokpal Bill, a citizen can make a complaint against an office holder, and the lokpal will investigate the complaint. If it is found true action will be taken. Lokpal is not going to send beat lokpallers to collect hafta from the poor. That’s downright ridiculous and only a fancy imagination could have conceived it.
Keyar Theme of JLP is expeditious justice for all, for whose sake those, constitutions were framed. Let there be few fall outs , but will there be chillness running around the spinal cord? It’s enough.
Clarity Arundhati, lie seven caught.
She also says that the choreography, and aggressive nationalism seems to be like that of anti-reservation. It’s a clear attempt to draw the dalits away from the fight against corruption. And how inappropriate an attempt it is! It is the deprived, the dalits, who have to the bear the worst of corruption. The rich and the influential are filled with upper caste people who can actually use the present system to their advantage because they have money power, influence, and contacts.
The dalits don’t have the same advantages, that’s why when all other things being equal, it is the dalit who stands to lose when they compete with the upper caste. All due to corruption!
Now coming to the choreography. What sort of vague word is that? ‘Choreography’, what are we supposed to understand from it? If she’s talking about the slogans, we’ve already dealt with that. What else could she be talking about?
The anti-reservation protest was fraught with street violence and self-immolations. The people who opposed reservations closed down schools, colleges and offices, burnt buses, had violent clashes with the law, and burnt themselves to death. That hasn’t happened in Anna’s movement. This movement is perfectly peaceful and organized. Even when people are on a march, they stop at the red lights and crossings to let the traffic pass before continuing. What the hell is Arundhati trying to imply with her ‘Choreography’ then?
Keyar Dalit, reservations etc are political trump cards to use and throw but the base people of >60% ,even after 60 yrs of freedom, had never even see the light at the end of the tunnel. These issues never raised their levels because of corruption only. The main root is corruption at every level, especially in the base level. Politicians may accuse them of having received the money for voting and so they have to be taken back in some shape. But had the dubbavallahs, street vendors, small shoppers etc are allowed their individual freedom within the four corners of the existing law, it not only reduces the other drawbacks like daliths freedom etc, but also allow the law executors to function as per law, which would deter the same community to behave orderly. When discipline returns to the society, dignity of the labor shall be felt. So root cause must be mitigated, if not totally erasable. Then so many other issues of the society will be properly regulated. Among the “n “issues, corruption of all kinds assume importance and the entire world is looking at us, to turn a new leaf. In this respect the juggernaut shall be allowed to be moved, instead of criticizing the magnitude, so that , majority of the other issues will merge in this for solutions without any expectations. In the end there will be paltry issues waiting for the answer. Lets think about them when we cross the bridge. Please don’t upset the apple cart.
Clarity Arundhati, lie eight caught.
The next bit is very cruel. She craftily tries to separate Irom Sharmila, Bastar, Jaitapur, from the fast and implies by extension that Anna Hazare does not oppose Posco, or the farmer deaths in Maharashtra, or any of the other myriad problems that our country is battling right now. This couldn’t be furthest from truth.
Unlike Arundhati, Anna Hazare has recognized that too many of the problems that our country is facing are a direct result of corruption. That’s why a Madhu Koda is able to earn thousands of crores in graft money directly depriving the adivasis. That’s why Yeduyarappa is able to give illegal miners a free hand. That’s why Bastar and Irom, and Niyamgiri exist. Because of corruption.
If our framework made the responsible people accountable, it would create a huge difference in all of these issues. Imagine a bastar free of poachers, miners and land grabbers, a maharashtra village where the government’s benefits schemes are truly implemented. Forget all the other instances, just imagine what Manrega can really do for the people if it is implemented honestly.
You’ve also claimed that Anna doesn’t care about the farmers in Maharashtra, or in other places, even though he has spent his entire demonstratively in fighting for the poor and deprived villagers and farmers. Maybe you didn’t hear about this because you were too busy hobnobbing with India haters.
Arundathi, I believe that fighting corruption is fighting on behalf of all the people you’ve named, and not against them. If you believe otherwise, give me your reasons.
Keyar I explained above elsewhere the same thing. Individual freedoms deliver the fruition of the rights encompassing the duties.
Clarity Arundhati, lie nine caught.
The next slander if of course the ultimate weapon that anyone can hurl at Anna. That he supports Raj Thackarey or Narendra Modi’s alleged wrongdoings. This is a joke, specially in sight of the fact that many of the hardliners aligned with the BJP, the hindu-brigade, and Narendra Modi are up with cudgles against Anna Hazare. They’re making the claim that Anna Hazare is an agent of Congress, propped up by Congress to facilitate the crowning of Rahul Gandhi.
The communists have no love for Hazare, the right wingers have no love for Hazare, and the Congress has no love for Hazare. My God! He must be awesomely right!
Answering your gripe, Anna Hazare has said it publicly multiple times that he is against any oppressive actions targeted against any community and that he supports a system that gives equal rights to all citizens irrespective of their religion.
And if you think you were succeeding in your nefarious scheme to distance the muslims from the movement, you’ve failed. Muslims as a community have lent their support to Anna Hazare in a massive way. Many Imams and Maulavis have made public statements, and the Dar-ul-Uloom, which is the biggest body of Muslims in India has said that it is the duty of every Muslim and citizen of India to support Anna Hazare. If they are wrong, then you must know something that they don’t. Care to share?
You’ve also brought the ‘Youth for equality’ into this. So what if Anna’s movement is supported by the Youth for Equality? It is also supported by the All India Youth Federation. Let me show you a pic of AIYF activists who marched against corruption for Anna. Lest you’ve forgotten the AIYF is the youth wing of the Communist Party of India.
They supported Anna because they want a corruption free India
Do you realize that when it comes to this fight against corruption Anna does not choose who supports him. He gratefully accepts their support. Of course he doesn’t give them anything in return except a law that’s strongly against corruption.
That’s why the Gyan Das Akhara of Ayodhya, and Hashim Ansari, the famous anti-temple litigator have jointly expressed support for Anna Hazare. Do you have the courage to rise above your own pettiness?
Keyar Every problem has a solution. So every act will have a reaction. In a movement, the cause and effect are not the wishes of the Karma yogi. In the midst of storage of water in a dam, many trees could be felled. No one can say all floods are intended only to fell the tree. Karmanyevadikaraste Ma Paleshu Katakana, since good things will have stiff opposition but all good things will not deliver any wrong babies.
Clarity Arundhati, lie ten caught.
You are also very misinformed, or maybe you choose to present wrong information to the people. You have said that ‘Kabir’ is an NGO run by Arvind Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia. Actually Arvind Kejriwal does not run Kabir. He is an executive member because Manish Sisodia is an old associate from Parivartan, but he does not manage it, or intervene in it. It is managed by Manish Sisodia. Arvind Kejriwal’s foundation is the PCRF. They have received no donation from Ford. Their balance sheets are available on their website for public inspection. Have a look at all the money this foundation has.
Arvind started this foundation with 14 lakhs, the money he got with his Magsaysay Award. He used it for public cause and to support RTI in India.
The PCRF maintains complete accounts for the present anti-corruption movement too. Details of all incoming donations are available on the website of India Against Corruption, and expenses are detailed too. You should have a look at that.
The amount Kabir has received as donation from Ford is $200,00 and not $400,000 as you claimed. This is verifyable form the website of the ford foundation (http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/search). You could have done well to note that this donation has nothing to do with the present movement, but you did not. I will do this for you here. This donation was made in 2011 to Kabir to promote the use of RTI in India, and not to support the India against corruption movement.
1 Keyar Genuine ACTIONS can be questioned viz Individual freedom under the constitution really. Genuine Individual or trust or any organization will never be bothered since THAN NENJARIVADU POYYARKKA” (LET YOUR CONSCIOUS BE CLEAR), HENCE THOSE WHO HARASS WILL FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.
2 There was a program in Tamil TV (VIJAY), on this issue recently. Mr. Gopinath presented and questioned the versions of Arundathi but never presented these answers at all. Why?
3 So many writers, social workers and cross section of the society focus their thinking, only with reference to their goal and I that process, demand greater focus of their issue or demand attention for their cause only. In this process, they miss the Root-cause of the problem and weigh with reference to the nationality, statehood, caste, creed, sufferings of a sectional tribe etc.
4 Progress of a cross section may be important but not at others cost. Its said that even at the cost of losing your mother, never commit to wrong doings. If the country progress as Indian, and where the mind is without fear, issues remaining unsolved for decades ,remaining unsupported, shall get the positive answer, without detriment to the neighbour. At the root such things can happen only when corruption of every kind is reduced, to function ethically. SHE KNOWS BUT PRETENDS.
Clarity Arundhati, lie eleven caught.
You say next that the present bill fails to bring the corporates and the NGOs against the ambit of Lokpal. Does our present legal system allow that? Does our present legal system allow surveillance of the functioning of privately funded NGOs or corporate bodies in the same manner that it allows the surveillance of government organisations? The legal experts have said no, and this is the reason according to the team that they are not proposing this at the present time.
What you’ve forgotten is the fact that it is the government system that’s the worst offender when it comes to corruption, because it allows its misuse by the private sector resulting in the problems you’ve mentioned. There are already checks and systems to prevent and prosecute the wrong-doings of the private sector, but they are compromised because the investigative bodies are in the graft, or their masters are.
If we can make this start by creating a law that forces the government systems to work properly it will undoubtedly lead to better handling of the private sector too. Can you imagine the telecom companies benefiting from 2G the way they did if they didn’t have A Raja working for them? Or the various private companies making huge profits from CWG tenders if Kalmadi and Sheila Dikshit didn’t back them so brazenly?
Anna’s team has given the commitment to keep fighting, to further the cause, and take fresh measures to rid the people of corruption once the Janlokpal bill is in place. By making the Janlokpal bill an excuse to talk about all the different malaise we have you are attempting to short-circuit the anti-corruption drive itself. How is fighting government corruption any less holier than fighting corruption in private organisations?
Keyar When the society functions normally, without fear or favor, sub-roots corruptions will vanish in the thin air as there may not be God-fathers. On the contrary as I said elsewhere, when the Juggernaut moves, there is always room for improvements, since whatever is added for functional norm, may have the same repercussions. The proof of pudding is in the eating. But Arundathi and Co, never allow the stove to burn!
Clarity Arundhati, lie twelve caught.
The only sense you are making is in the last paragraph when you say that Anna’s movement is the result of the failure of the legislature which is filled with criminals and millionaire politicians who have ceased to represent their people. You know, that’s exactly the point that Anna Hazare has been making. Our MPs are totally living in denial of the people’s needs and aspirations. They believe that 9% growth of GDP is an achievement worth having 11% food inflation for. It is their corrupt mindset and disconnect which must be challenged, and that’s exactly what Anna is doing when he mobilizes people in such a massive manner against corruption. The fact is, we should all be thankful to Anna Hazare for reminding the MPs that a democracy is not just made up of the parliament, but also of the people.
Keyar I told you. Everyone knows. However main stream fear for their status which may be dismantled. There is Karnan of Mahabharatha, who has to work for the salt. So Many so forth. In spite of all these things of pros and cons, will of the people shall prevail only if the people keep awake whatever the circumstances. Arise awake and stop not and god bless the country and the people.
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Friday, June 17, 2011
There are more and more things on heaven and earth,Horatio
There are more and more things on heaven and earth,Horatio
I am quite busy with my AASTHIKA ANALYSIS A SEARCH, within myself,without fear or favour and so I could not spare time for creation of fresh blogs.
I just saw a comment from an INCOGNITO,about which I thought fit to say a few words.The important extrat from the man behind the mask, is extracted below, which would show how an hypocrite he could be.
“ very strange....Shakatapuram is one of the ancient mutts in Karnataka..yes its indeed Totakacharya's Mutt ,well my family follows Kanchi Mutt and my extended family follows Sringeri from ages..and all the shankarachraya mutt's and great kings have acknowledged this mutt and this mutt was also visited by both the Shankrachrays as well..the complaints that u have mentioned is totally false and untrue....so i guess u wrote this blog with some vengeance in mind...If you don't know please SHUTUP..
..its Maha paap...Shakatapuram is one of the great mutt's ,...I pray may God bless you with Wisdom and i will sincerely request you to beg for forgiveness in the Holy feet of the JagadGuru..He will surely forgive you...He is a Karunamoorthy.
By Anonymous on LESSONS OF SHAKATAPURAM on 5/17/11”
There are only 2 ways of viewing things positive and negative; neutral is a n unique category, rare. Ouvaiyar said that Jadhi Irandozhiya varillai……..Ittar periyor Idathar…Izhikulathor..Patangillullapadi”. In Gita Krishna ,depicts HIMSELF AS either extremes. So also there are AASTHIKA AND NAASTHIKA . Its lead to believe that the denial of god and or non-acceptance is NAASTHIKA. NO!
Non learning of the back up literatures in detail and out of such ignorance weakly following a tribe without knowledge, however big the society may be , are NAASTHIKAS only. Atleast in the former there is convincing denial,rather an atheist read everything and later getting convinced ,which is acceptable. But in the latter, there is nothing but fawning and Greed, self protection and selfishness,belief because of return and fear Psychosis,and such of those are Naasthikas out of ignorance and make a personal property religion a commercial property. TO DAY THE WHOLE WORLD IS FACING THIS AND IT’S A SURPRISE THAT A COUNTRY WHICH PRAYED FOR SARVE JANA SIKINO BHAVANTHU, VIZ INDIA, RUNNIONG AFTER, VARIED ROBES FOR STAYING IN A SOCIAL COMMUNITY TO PLAN THEIR LIVELYHOOD, FOR GREED ,HIGH STRATA PRESERVATION AND ANDTO STAY FAR ABOVE OTHERS PUSHING THEM DOWN. \
No one could remember that
EPPORUL YAR YAR VAIKKAETPINUM,APPORUL MEIPPORUL KANBADU ARIVU; MAZHITHALUM NEETALUM VENDAVAM YAKKAIKKU ULAGAM PAZHITHADU OZHITHUVIDIN. THERE ARE NO BETTER GOD THAN THAT WHICHMIN YOUR HOME AND BETTER WORSHIPFUL PRESENT ONES THAN PARENTS; YET PEOPLE RUN AFTER EITHER NOTHING OR THOSE WHO SHALL NOT BE DISTURBED. There is nothing wrong in reciving the blessings and preachings for good, but only from those who don’t aspire for aspirations such as one who shirked everything and don’t even need you.
Those who sing their song for attaining the wealth of this world,fail to see unearthing of or hoarding of crores and tons in their suit, contributed by the ignorant. IMMAIKKUM ENAI MARUMAIKKUM THATHAM KARUMAME KATTALAIKKAL. TIRUVALLUAR wrote the VEDAM AND UPANISHADS in Tamil. HE IS A BRAHMIN. One who understood the brahman is BRAHMIN and not by birth. If you look at Itihasas, PEOPLE RESPECDTED THE RESPECTABLE AND NO CROWD FLOCKED THEVASHISHTA, BHARADWAJA ,KASYAPA OR ANY RISHIS WHO WERE RETIRING IN VANA VASA.Sanyasi came to visit the grahasthas and not the vice versa.
KARMANYEVADIKARASTE MAA PALESHU KATHACHANA-AND SUCH IS PUNYAMAll All other events are papa karma only and puyam and papam are ‘HAVRAVAR ECHATHAL” ONLY DETERMINABLE.
Kanchi mutt is wealthy bur Acharyas are sitting in viewaqble simple rooms. Sringeri is very rich but Acharyals stay simple and do pujas for the welfare of the people in the universe. Sringeri denied the costly car presented by the ardent devotee,recently,and said his needs are simple. There are no evidences to showwhether the Thodakacharyar came down here and established a mutt,since HE was destined to take care of one mutt established by the ADI SANKARA and such deciple who did only one sloka on his guru and nothing else ,would have derelited his post defying the words of Guru. There are 296 Sankaracharyas of eka and thritandi,self styled are many. Ihave great respedt for sanyasi and do pranams who practice Gnanayoga and lead a life of simplicity. Even before Sringeri were there ancient mutts now remaining unheard of dilapidated. VIDYARANYAR REVIVED THE Sringeri and other Mutts of Karnataka making, the HARIHARA PUKKA the doyen.
If you consider various puranasof yester years there are so many spots enshrined as spots of the visits of Ramayana characters. In south its many. However SriRama was born near Afganisthan and North of Ganga River, when the Bharatha was called JAMBUDDWEEPAM; the land surrounded by seas. There was this nation without Himalaya at one time. Even to day SriLanka has scriptures and inscriptions showing Rama visit. However there are other theories also that present Srilanka position was not the original geo position. Lord Rama was 64 feet tall as Ramayana deciphers it. So History were true but when chatur yuga have to be considered, todays AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, SRILANKA POSITION OF INDIA ETC ARE SPLITTERS FROM JAMBUDWEEPAM AND THE CRASH CREATED THE HIMALAYA. Rig veda never speaks about Himalaya at all where those people lived , created the verse and recited. In so many places Vamana Avatara is repeated but not earlier or later ones. The current fear of self-preservations existed in Rig veda period where people worshipped the elements which hit them ,so do now such people who do say papam, etc,forgetting for a moment what do they contribute for the welfare of the society.
In short, in my opinion AASTHIKA is one who reads and understands the scriptures, raise their standards in Dharmic way with yoga preached by such scriptures. KARPAVAI KATRAPIN NIRKA ATHARKU THAGA.Not running behind for self preservations. Respect the elders but never over react. What is the use if one goes behind religious fads without attending to their PARENTS OR DAILY DHARMAMS? What is the use if women runabout uncalled for rituals and swamiji8s, without attending to their husbands, and family and disrespecting their house hold women. ? Every act of the human being is to search and find out the truth and stick to their conduct of Dharmic profession,elicit from anyone the Hindu Way of life universally, and not to become the model of the HERDS INSTINCT.
I am quite busy with my AASTHIKA ANALYSIS A SEARCH, within myself,without fear or favour and so I could not spare time for creation of fresh blogs.
I just saw a comment from an INCOGNITO,about which I thought fit to say a few words.The important extrat from the man behind the mask, is extracted below, which would show how an hypocrite he could be.
“ very strange....Shakatapuram is one of the ancient mutts in Karnataka..yes its indeed Totakacharya's Mutt ,well my family follows Kanchi Mutt and my extended family follows Sringeri from ages..and all the shankarachraya mutt's and great kings have acknowledged this mutt and this mutt was also visited by both the Shankrachrays as well..the complaints that u have mentioned is totally false and untrue....so i guess u wrote this blog with some vengeance in mind...If you don't know please SHUTUP..
..its Maha paap...Shakatapuram is one of the great mutt's ,...I pray may God bless you with Wisdom and i will sincerely request you to beg for forgiveness in the Holy feet of the JagadGuru..He will surely forgive you...He is a Karunamoorthy.
By Anonymous on LESSONS OF SHAKATAPURAM on 5/17/11”
There are only 2 ways of viewing things positive and negative; neutral is a n unique category, rare. Ouvaiyar said that Jadhi Irandozhiya varillai……..Ittar periyor Idathar…Izhikulathor..Patangillullapadi”. In Gita Krishna ,depicts HIMSELF AS either extremes. So also there are AASTHIKA AND NAASTHIKA . Its lead to believe that the denial of god and or non-acceptance is NAASTHIKA. NO!
Non learning of the back up literatures in detail and out of such ignorance weakly following a tribe without knowledge, however big the society may be , are NAASTHIKAS only. Atleast in the former there is convincing denial,rather an atheist read everything and later getting convinced ,which is acceptable. But in the latter, there is nothing but fawning and Greed, self protection and selfishness,belief because of return and fear Psychosis,and such of those are Naasthikas out of ignorance and make a personal property religion a commercial property. TO DAY THE WHOLE WORLD IS FACING THIS AND IT’S A SURPRISE THAT A COUNTRY WHICH PRAYED FOR SARVE JANA SIKINO BHAVANTHU, VIZ INDIA, RUNNIONG AFTER, VARIED ROBES FOR STAYING IN A SOCIAL COMMUNITY TO PLAN THEIR LIVELYHOOD, FOR GREED ,HIGH STRATA PRESERVATION AND ANDTO STAY FAR ABOVE OTHERS PUSHING THEM DOWN. \
No one could remember that
EPPORUL YAR YAR VAIKKAETPINUM,APPORUL MEIPPORUL KANBADU ARIVU; MAZHITHALUM NEETALUM VENDAVAM YAKKAIKKU ULAGAM PAZHITHADU OZHITHUVIDIN. THERE ARE NO BETTER GOD THAN THAT WHICHMIN YOUR HOME AND BETTER WORSHIPFUL PRESENT ONES THAN PARENTS; YET PEOPLE RUN AFTER EITHER NOTHING OR THOSE WHO SHALL NOT BE DISTURBED. There is nothing wrong in reciving the blessings and preachings for good, but only from those who don’t aspire for aspirations such as one who shirked everything and don’t even need you.
Those who sing their song for attaining the wealth of this world,fail to see unearthing of or hoarding of crores and tons in their suit, contributed by the ignorant. IMMAIKKUM ENAI MARUMAIKKUM THATHAM KARUMAME KATTALAIKKAL. TIRUVALLUAR wrote the VEDAM AND UPANISHADS in Tamil. HE IS A BRAHMIN. One who understood the brahman is BRAHMIN and not by birth. If you look at Itihasas, PEOPLE RESPECDTED THE RESPECTABLE AND NO CROWD FLOCKED THEVASHISHTA, BHARADWAJA ,KASYAPA OR ANY RISHIS WHO WERE RETIRING IN VANA VASA.Sanyasi came to visit the grahasthas and not the vice versa.
KARMANYEVADIKARASTE MAA PALESHU KATHACHANA-AND SUCH IS PUNYAMAll All other events are papa karma only and puyam and papam are ‘HAVRAVAR ECHATHAL” ONLY DETERMINABLE.
Kanchi mutt is wealthy bur Acharyas are sitting in viewaqble simple rooms. Sringeri is very rich but Acharyals stay simple and do pujas for the welfare of the people in the universe. Sringeri denied the costly car presented by the ardent devotee,recently,and said his needs are simple. There are no evidences to showwhether the Thodakacharyar came down here and established a mutt,since HE was destined to take care of one mutt established by the ADI SANKARA and such deciple who did only one sloka on his guru and nothing else ,would have derelited his post defying the words of Guru. There are 296 Sankaracharyas of eka and thritandi,self styled are many. Ihave great respedt for sanyasi and do pranams who practice Gnanayoga and lead a life of simplicity. Even before Sringeri were there ancient mutts now remaining unheard of dilapidated. VIDYARANYAR REVIVED THE Sringeri and other Mutts of Karnataka making, the HARIHARA PUKKA the doyen.
If you consider various puranasof yester years there are so many spots enshrined as spots of the visits of Ramayana characters. In south its many. However SriRama was born near Afganisthan and North of Ganga River, when the Bharatha was called JAMBUDDWEEPAM; the land surrounded by seas. There was this nation without Himalaya at one time. Even to day SriLanka has scriptures and inscriptions showing Rama visit. However there are other theories also that present Srilanka position was not the original geo position. Lord Rama was 64 feet tall as Ramayana deciphers it. So History were true but when chatur yuga have to be considered, todays AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, SRILANKA POSITION OF INDIA ETC ARE SPLITTERS FROM JAMBUDWEEPAM AND THE CRASH CREATED THE HIMALAYA. Rig veda never speaks about Himalaya at all where those people lived , created the verse and recited. In so many places Vamana Avatara is repeated but not earlier or later ones. The current fear of self-preservations existed in Rig veda period where people worshipped the elements which hit them ,so do now such people who do say papam, etc,forgetting for a moment what do they contribute for the welfare of the society.
In short, in my opinion AASTHIKA is one who reads and understands the scriptures, raise their standards in Dharmic way with yoga preached by such scriptures. KARPAVAI KATRAPIN NIRKA ATHARKU THAGA.Not running behind for self preservations. Respect the elders but never over react. What is the use if one goes behind religious fads without attending to their PARENTS OR DAILY DHARMAMS? What is the use if women runabout uncalled for rituals and swamiji8s, without attending to their husbands, and family and disrespecting their house hold women. ? Every act of the human being is to search and find out the truth and stick to their conduct of Dharmic profession,elicit from anyone the Hindu Way of life universally, and not to become the model of the HERDS INSTINCT.
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