Random thinking

                   1 When I was talking to my son, he asked me why my comments in Face book are sharp and why I remain quite without any communication, and permit views of others as “LET IT GO”.

                    2   This particular aspect I wish I can elucidate. Intelligence does not come off by Education or theories read or of age alone. Intelligence is an ego factor and places someone assume all-knowing-all-pervading, Maya apparition when one possessed by it, realizes the fault, almost when reaching the end. This is universal, yet an advanced civilization like India is also following suit, which is unfortunate. Every child of a parent, assume that his parent is illiterate and has sense of old and insignificant tradition and he had grown with the high caliber knowledge. Had he thought for a second, such-pre-assumptive parent only, had put him thro a significant stature of his/her ward he would not have presumed such things at all. Especially this would happen to parents and children, of Agriculture to Aristocrat status, undoudedly. Hence such tall order of progress was /is / will be, made possible by VIVEKAM, knowledge of experience. A mother exhibits it very nicely, so daughters repeat it with the understanding for the generations to follow. The negative statement ABOUT THE SONS can well be presumed here.

                     3    Under these kind of high pressure thinking of the current youths, (thinking is always welcome, but meipporul (real truth) kanbadu arivu enbadu (finding alone is intelligence) –if agreed then ”” it’s not as usual old man blurted some non-sense and I have nothing to hear or say about such blabbering””- then current youths shall do soft-pedaling. They should give credence to the” experience of wealth”, for social behavior. There must be patient hearings but decision must be that of the lead, as per precedence and moral obligations. After all where the seniority is mainly adhered to in protocol, why it is forsaken in day to day living?

               4 There are certain hard and fast rules in the world and life. A PRESIDENT of any country cannot be bye passed. A prime minister of any nation cannot be circumvented. Head of the dept and the ministry and office cannot be defied. In Gujarat and Rajasthan, why in North, elders are respected, for the words and deeds, may be these persons, have different convictions. Even today the words of APPATHA are to be delivered. The male head is to lead the family if women-lion fetch the food. The Vedas say it; Upanishads exponent them; text of discipline like Tirukkural say it. But  all morals are well understood by the other half of the world while bright side  is snoring. Certain views are extracted from us and given back for sale. We don’t evince interest in our ancient scriptures and texts, set it aside as not worth even without biting it, nod our heads for splinter shining and go agog and bait thro. As FRANCIS BACON said some are to be chewed; some to be tasted and some to be digested (ON BOOKS), so too wide reading has to be done and truth sifted for analysis and guidance. But most of the youth of this country listen more to brags as fun, bitter taste as finer aspect, accept without thinking and nod to better half who are mainly lesser experienced and lesser knowhow, on the pretext of unison and better understanding.

                 5   Had these CONJECTURES been true why would Tiruvalluar said “EPPORUL YAR YAR VAI KKETPINUM APPORUL MAI PORUL KANBADARIVU”?   Why He would incorporate a chapter, apart from so many two-liners, PERIYARAI THUNAIKODAL”. I CAN QUOTE from VEDAS AND UPANISHADS AND CERTAIN TEXTS FROM PURANAS TOO IN SANSKRIT, Which would have been treated as neem fruit for some.

                  6   All quotes are not right inferences. All carvings are not true on all occasions. All rhythmic observations are like two sides of a coin, what one is food, for another may be poison too. Had any one who gave ideas of pep-up, found it as business for them, since they knew it is not true universally. The question is are  we aware of it?  Receive all but as a cow think well other angles and sift for the better aspect; no doubt they make you think and place you on tracks and you have to choose your path, while you remain a lead, it is your responsibity to raise level. Hence the Tirukkural. EXPERINCES CAN NEVER LIE ONLY IMMATURITY MAKES ONE BOUNCE. I think I contribute a radical thinking. One has to bite or taste or digest as the case may be. Except that there is no other pinch of salt in that.

                                    

Does God exist?

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Date: 22 July 2012 14:46

Subject: //Dil Se Desi// Does God exist?

To: dilsedesigroup@yahoogroups.com

My fav author KS writes in Hindustan Times…

“Once again, some philosophers and theologians have revived their believe in the existence of God.  They use different names for Him, Her or It.  God can be Brahma, the Creator. Godcan be Allah, Rabb, Jesus, Parmeshwar and Waheguru.  In any event, whatever name you give Him, He is regarded as the Creator of Life.  If you ask believers that, if God created life, then who created Him, they have no answer.  The truth is that life on earth was not created.  It evolved, as did every living creature.  It was not created by any person by whatever name you choose to call Him or Her.  There was no Creator.  It is not God who created us, we created God.

(Me: I wholeheartedly agree.  The Jainism was given birth to in 3rdor 2nd Century BC, Buddhism in the 2nd, Hinduism followed soon, Christianity in the 1st Century AD and Islam in the 6th. Human beings existed at least since the Stone Age, thousands of years before any of the religious came into being, not to be speak of the lesser forms of life.

Most of the violent strife, killings and terrorism on earth owe their origins to the interpretation of the religious tenets by their followers.  So, the religions, far from guiding their followers in the path of righteousness and peaceful co-existence within and without their faithful, actually lead the followers to take the law into their hands and enforce their own interpretation on others.   Since the canons are subject to so grotesque interpretation and enforcement, does it not therefore follow that all religions are bad?  If God did exist, why did He not restrain His adherents from taking to violence, make them clearly understand the true meaning of the canons and how to orderly conduct themselves?.  Furthermore, none the religious edicts were written by Him)

MY COMMENTS

                Everyone has the liberty to own or disown assets or God or any relations. Freedom of life. Sorry I wrongly stated it--it is FREEDOM OF "I". Because, "LIFE" definition claim is still pending. Freedom with "I" is certain, but as one accuses that there is no god because theologian is yet to prove it, since giving life has not yet been found by science, till the mystery is cracked, Let the opposite team stay as NEGATORS have also not proved the non-existence, so can’t escape the onerous job, by escapism , by shifting the onus. Here onus lie on both shoulders and as Robert Frost said "long way to go before so many generations sleep, since man knows only 4% of the universe (after 2000 yrs? I stretch) so for that with lot of doubts.

                    People (there is a book 50 reasons to prove no god -written by western author-which is as vague as this) may say they can create replicas of lfe so they had found life. But is it so? It is as good as telling that adding rice to hot water and boiling I have created sadam-food; did he create the rice down run to source of life in rice? No. Science had just DISCOVERED Not CREATED. Discover is uncovering the lid to see inside that is it. Mystery of Brain is not understood for 97%. Life is what, unknown. When in baby it arrives? No one knows. When does it leave? We call it as Linga shareera, and air is by product cause. But you also have not established by yourself for creation as creator. So aviveka or ignorance is on both sides, but we have done certain base but have you?

                      Rig Veda said that "who knows ,it was there'. What would you have said about you parents or mother on the date of seeing the world about their or her existence if could u talk? "WHO KNOWS, THEY WERE THERE! ?. IGNORANCE REMOVER IS RELIGION and each shall find for himself if you have interest as your hunger appeasement is your outlook. Only mother can it for kid as long as its in the womb--see it is IT before and after and what is making IT as HE OR SHE OR THEY OR YOU OR I OR INDEX IS LIFE AND NO-LIFE is not yet discovered and therefore HE or SHE or SOME CAPITAL exist as GOD.

                   You want us to prove so that you will change side; WE WANT YOU TO DISPROVE SO THAT WE MAY CHANGE SIDE; right? ONUS OF PROOF LIE ON ONE WHO DENIES THE LAW.

                        Rishi Kapila son of and descended from Kasyapa and Athri, said "purusha'" existed; but laid a theory that it is prakrithi (nature) started the creation. .

( Incidentally Buddha followed Kapila ) ( Adi Sankarar also to certain extent as for as MAYA ). Because matter was there when he was born he laid a theory of creation. Even then he knew and demanded a truth that ENERGY (later termed as SHAKTHI as supreme viz SHE instead HE), to become kinetic, there shall exist POTENTIAL AND PUSH (which science said as BIG BANG and we said as OHM PRANAVAM) which is GOD. Kapila deduced this and for creation adopted nature, and THIS WAS ALSO MANMADE BUT YOU HAVE ACCEPTED IT OR SWALLOWED IT like a fish. However when we swallowed something you question us. HOW CAN YOU FIGHT WITH ONE SIDE OF THE COIN THE OTHERSIDE? Is it fair and it not fallacy?

                       India had given only corruption and negation as rewards for people; is it a right statement? But you say so; India does not but it is rulers, politicians, u & me, yet you never say so but attribute as INDIA. So also for the malaise created by the individuals you blame God. Is it right? When your mother slaps you for the mistake of your brother committed and shifted the focus as if you, you agitate; but you accuse with your fore finger the AWARENESS as God, WHILE you forget to notice that three other fingers are pointing out at you only.

                                      WE CALL IT AS MAYA; WE CALL IT AS KARMA; WE EXPLAIN IT; YOU SAY IT IS MAN MADE; BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT; I HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT DARWIN DID TO SAY SOMETHING; BUT BY READING SCIENCE BOOK I SWALLOW IT; I BELIEVE THERE IS PROOF AS GIVEN THERE; I AM WILLING TO BELIEVE; OOPS, DARWIN THEORY IS ALTERED AND CHALLENGED AND CHANGED; AGAIN I BEKIEVE IT FROM THE BOOK AND AS GIVEN AS PROOF; THEN WHAT HAPPENNED TO MY PRIOR BELIEF?; WAS IT WRONG,THEN? OH SOME ONE CREATED A VIOLATION, YET I DONT BLAME THE PAST? I DONT SAY MAN MADE; I SAY "WE WILL CORRECT OURSELVES IF WE GO WRONG"; SUPER---- COINING OF WORDS --JUGGLERY.

                          May be the order of religion placed in unintentional; there is no denial of the fact that there is no "HINDUISM" (A COINED WORD OF BRITISH), but SANATHANA DHARMA whose age accepted ultimately 7000 to 10000 years; and hence it can’t be Jainism, Buddhism and Hinduism etc.

                      Finally denial is our freedom. We don’t deny the drunken father; we don’t  a PRO mother we don’t our inefficiency; we don’t deny" what we don’t know" totally; we don’t deny " our ignorance'; we deny what we don’t want to do or can’t do; we deny as fluke when someone does; that is MIND we have, an "abstract", but we use and misuse it in  words and deeds, casually. BUT WE TALK TALL ABOUT WHAT WE DONT KNOW VIZ GOD, because we are we.

                       Thank you Brothers. K Raja ram IRS

RELIGION MULTI VIEWS

 FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Christianity:

One Christ, One Bible, One Religion

BUT the Latin Catholic will not enter Syrian Catholic Church.

These two will not enter Marthoma Church.

These three will not enter Pentecost Church.

These four will not enter Salvation Army Church.

These five will not enter Seventh Day Adventist Church.

These six will not enter Orthodox Church.

These seven will not enter Jacobite church.

Like this there are 146 castes in Kerala alone,

each will not go to the other's church to pray...!

So much for One Christ, One Bible, One Jehova....

What a unity!

 

Islam:

One Allah, One Quran, One Nebi....!

AND ALL MUSLIMS CALL THEMSELVES BROTHERS!

BUT,

Shia and Sunni cannot see eye to eye

and kill each other anywhere and everywhere.

The Shia will not go to Sunni Mosque.

These two will not go to Ahamadiya Mosque.

These three will not go to Sufi Mosque.

These four will not go to Mujahiddin mosque...

There are 13 castes in Muslims and these brothers can't share their places of worship.

The brothers have been killing/bombing/conquering/murdering/raping each other in the name of Islam for the last 500 years, since the day Islam existed..!

They have never been or never will be at peace with Jews or Christians in the name of religion, yet all 3 pray to the same God of Abraham.

The American attack on the Muslim land of Iraq and Afghanistan is fully supported by all the Muslim countries around them!

One Allah, One Quran, One Nebi....!

Great unity!

All Muslims are not Terrorists,

but all Terrorists are Muslims.

and 60% of all victims of Muslim terrorism are Muslims.

THEY ARE KILLING THEMSELVES IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.

 

Hindus

1,280 Religious Books,

10,000 Commentaries,

more than one lakh sub-commentaries

for these foundation books,

330 million gods,

variety of Aacharyas,

thousands of Rishies,

hundreds of languages...

still everyone goes to the

SAME TEMPLE ...

Hindus never quarreled each other

for the last ten thousand years in

The name of religion. But the SCs are treated like outcasts and can't enter most temples and are still treated like fourth class citizens!

The strong entrenched cast system prevents their equality and unity   

Buddhism:

Buddhism is the world's first religion

Fourth-largest religion behind Christianity, Islam and Hinduism

Buddhism is both a religion and philosophy

largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama

Three concepts, Karma, Rebirth, Samsara

They classify themselves as Theravada or Mahayana

Both accept the Buddha as their teacher

Both acceptthe Middle way, Dependent origination, Four Noble Truths,

Noble Eightfold Path and Three marks of existence

Both accept that members of the laity and of the sangha can pursue the path toward enlightenment (Bodhi)

Both consider Buddha hood to be the highest attainment

They do not believe that this world is created and ruled by a God

They consider that the purpose of life is to develop compassion for all living beings without discrimination

and to work for their good, happiness and peace

and to develop wisdom leading to the realization of the Ultimate Truth

  (I WOULD ADD THAT BUDDHISTS WOULD BE HAPPY TO ATTEND ANY OTHER BUDDHIST TEMPLES OF OTHER SECTS, HINDU TEMPLES, CHURCHES OR MOSQUES WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION!)

The moral is:

Discrimination is not taught by any religion but  is a man made malady

KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS AND

POLITICS OUT OF RELIGION AND BRING BACK GOD INTO RELIGION

The killing will stop

And there will be peace on earth!!!

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KEYARTAX   VIEW:

Dear all

                 1. A good marketer of particular  -----ism. Well. I am talking about the real religious minded persons. I am not talking about the majority religious-self-branded, entrenching for self-preservation and selfish gain only.

                  2. Basically, all religions rooted from sanathana dharma (not religion called Hindu) applying to all in the world. Unwanted RITUALS were created during the course of evolution of such different faiths, by RSB people, for self-gain.

                   3.  Because of the rituals Malaise exists, rather created. In general people go to church and mosque, regulated as member by themselves. Not going to other places of worship, may not assume great significance, since churches and mosques have some restricted time activities, UNLESS ONE IN "RSB" DOES IT OBVIOUSLY.

                   4.   Casteism is individualistic, wrongly interpreted or adduced, selfish preservation aptitude of that society; it dissemble as and when the RSB stay away from such society far away. Even among "Hindus" (as narrated), vaishnavaites and saivaites other than SMARTHAS, go only to their temples, who again descend down to "RSB".But one thing ,sanathana dharma path had never killed, invaded or insulted in war at any point of History, except the periods of Vaishavism-progress against  saivate defense, in Tamilnadu as well as samana ,Buddhism offence defended by saivism during  kalappirar periods. or kapaliga cult.

                5.   Buddhism is war mongers against the principle of Buddha and everyone knows wrt few south east Asiatic countries and in asia.Buddah founded on Vedic principle, especially On RIG VEDAM the concept of Buddhism; he did not accept rituals cornering the people and not the way of life. As Rig vedam said that who knows how the creation was made ,was considered as principle, excluding concept of GOD; he repeated the source of suffering , as DESIRE, which is the root words of Rig vedam; because of the originality existing already in India, it cannot entrench in India but spread outside where canvassing of religion was first practiced. However what was the cause of creation of Buddhism viz God and Rituals became the ugly divisions of Buddhism thro "RSB". What was Panacea became the disease. BUDDAH WAS MADE GOD APART FROM TEACHER; THE ORIGINAL PREACHINGS WERE SUB-DIVIDED INTO CLANS; MORE RITUALS WERE ADDED; and goes on.

                   6.  In short SANATHANA DHARMA >GREECE >ASIA LIKE CHINA > ISRAEL> JERUSALEM > CARTHEGE > CONSTANTI NOPLE > INDIA BACK > CALLING AS SECULAR COUNTRY.

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