SANSKRIT

                           SANSKRIT

             I am posting this for information sake. The author Mahavir Sanglikar
has generally an negative tilt towards Sanskrit. Interestingly even
the comments received are mostly praising Sanksrit.

http://jainismus.hubpages.com/hub/What-They-Said-About-Sanskrit-Language

             What The Great Scholars Said About Sanskrit Language?

Osho on Sanskrit

     Great scholars of Indology, linguistic and history have written their
bold opinions about Sanskrit language in their scholarly works. Here
are some of the quotes by by them regarding Sanskrit Language.

Raja Ram Mohan Roy was a great social reformer of 18th century. He was
a scholar of linguistics and religions. He had translated Upanishids
in Bengali language.

       He says: Sanskrit language is so difficult to learn that you will have to give your whole life for it, and even then you would not get much knowledge from it.

Saint Tulasidas was a scholar of Sanskirt, but he always wrote in
Hindi. It is interesting to know what he says about Sanskrit:

     My language (Hindi) is an earthen pot filled with ambrosia, while
Sanskirt is a pot of gold filles with poison.

Kabir, the great saint of medieval India says that

       the languages of masses are flowing water, while Sanskrit is a puddle of stagnant water

Osho, the great philosopher says:

     Sanskrit was never a spoken language. It was artificial code language created by Brahmins who needed a language unknown to the masses.

Famous historian Bhaskar Rao Jadhav writes in his Marathi book
'Marathe Aani Tyanchi Bhasha' (Marathas and Their Language):

       The name of any language is kept on the people who speak that language. There were no people named Sanskrit, and their was not a region or country that was known as Sanskrit.

Another historian and authority on Indus valley civilization Advocate
P R Deshmukh says,

         To highlight the difference between the language of masses and Sanskrit, Vedics created grammar and rules.

Renowned historian and the author of 'Buddhist India' Rhys Davids says
about ancient India:

                           Nobody from Taxila to Champa was speaking in
Sanskrit, but a type of Pali language was speken everywhere'

Professor Sham Sundar Das says in his book 'Hindi Bhasha Ka Vikas',

          'Realizing that the language of the indigenous people is affecting
their language, Aryans cultured and separated their language, but many
words which were adopted from native languages remained in Sanskirt as
they were.'

Abe Carrey, a Christian missionarry in India learned Sanskrit as he
was informed that there was a lot of knowledge in that language.

     But he found that it was unreal, so he said: There is nothing but pebbles and stones in Sanskrit language.

B. N. Nayar, author of Dynamic Brahmins says:

      Sanskrit was never a spoken language, it was just a cultured form of Prakrit language.

There are many other quotes by other great scholars, but I think it is
enough to give the idea about the reality of Sanskrit langauge

-Mahavir Sanglikar

IN REPLY

Dear all and Mr. Venkat

               I have no belief in quotes generally, right from the age of 8 or 9. I used to read "tamilvanan's" "kalkandu magazine" as a kid. There he wrote an historical article titled,"veera pandia katta bomman kollaikkarana?'. Till then I had an idea that he is a freedom fighter against British and had a kind of regard for him. Tamilvanan quoted from various authors, west in majority, which depicted him as a thief only. Around 15 years I became a student member of Connemara Library, Chennai. Out of curiosity, I read those referred books of Tamilvanan in that article. I was surprised to find that al quotations went in right manner only praising him; they were expressions of "never", 'negative comments some denied" "people thnk as', 'some writers write or think as" and so on. They were pre-fixed or suffixed. Both were removed and the lines in between were quoted giving a false impression. He was living in T Nagar near to my home and close to my friend's house. I met him and asked sharply. He coolly said that "see, it made u a reader'. Hence vested interest, Brahmin hatred, biased quotes are not to be present. It is same as Kk telling today that Brahmins tortured and controlled people; even today I can’t understand how 2% of the population with all the tough enforced codes ,could do that?

                          Generally values are assumed as correct, on the basis of the words of wisdom as named and fanned by a few, which spread like fire, as I believed first Kalkandu. It is called the "herds' instinct ", by Fraud. Till today Maxmuller is being praised for his services along with the Sir William Jones, Justice Calcutta in 1800+; however letter of Maxmuller to his wife as to how he betrayed the virtue for few ponds " reveal the intensity. But for the obvious reasons even today people speak high of Max. Science inventions are also we take as we read which by a few is changed later. Why, even Vivekananda a gret saint had abused by harsh words the KASI PUNDITS. What I learnt is there are motives for even the well learned to speak in biased manner and we have to sift what we read, by questioning and understanding. These kind of humiliations are thrown across in many books of the west, which were never rebutted or corrected, except a handful, because we are not research oriented authors but plagiaries and write a couple of books over night.

                   Mainly NO IN DEPTH STUDY OR LEARNING IS MADE BY SUCH,BUT SPOKEN AS LEARNED ON POPULARITY; THAT IS WHY TODAY WE HAVE TO HEAR RELIGION FROM ACTORS AND COOKING AND FAMILY MAINTENANCE FROM ACTRESSES.

                    Sanskrit means well made or created. There was prakrithm as historians twist. Pali, prakrithm etc came from Sanskrit. Hindi and all other languages came from Sanskrit and it is not an indo-European community as written and now being deferred also. It is a pity we believe that it is difficult and not a spoken language of the masses. Before the writing it was spoken language of the masses and sruthis were devolved out of it. Sankarar, santhosha and so many words of "san" or "sum" mean, "Well". Its grammar and vocabulary are perfect, it is now said that well suited for language of computer. The roots of these words have speared ahead in Tamil, English and so many languages of the world. Even today men of poverty in a karnataca village speak fluently which was shown in TV. Language,

                      Locations, regions, nationality etc have become so patriotic, the mass pronounced into new findings. Buddhism and Jainism were spread to mass only in Sanskrit; those scholars have made quite a blow by inserting similar style verses in the puranas .WE SHALL NOT DENY SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW IT. My knowledge of Sanskrit is only school level but by going thru texts and dictionaries I could understand better. Two years course in central Govt is enough to expand and learn further. After all we are able learn Chinese and Japanese, French and German. German is tough for the learner but easier had u known the Sanskrit sounds. Miltonic simile is well made but those who had read kalidasa would find that IT WAS HERE LONG AGO Those who deny god or say agnostic or even SAT , have not known or tried to go delve deep into. Half baked knowledge raised so much criticism and by HERDS INSTINCT we simply believe. KARKA KASADARA KATRA PIN NIRKA ADARKU THAGA.

                     SO MANY oshos, SREES, acharyas, so on so forth have come and gone and forgotten. This is karma Boomi as well as a nation of INGRATITUDE, who forgot even MAHATMA GANDHI. This is a nation which ignores the real wealth ofprogress but relies on west and flounder to the abysm. I feel that by any one's words or deeds, mine and you, this culture can never be destroyed but the roots shall remain then and there, to sprout out at the appropriate times. Sorry if I have caused a perturbence.

OM POORNAMADAH POORNAMIDAM
POORNAAT POORNAMUDACHYATE
POORNASYA POORNAMAADAAYA
POORNAMEVAAVASHISHYATE
OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTIH

THAT (BRAHMAN) IS WHOLE
THIS (CREATION) IS ALSO WHOLE
FROM THAT WHOLE (I.E. BRAHMAN ONLY)
THIS WHOLE HAS COME OUT (CREATION)
BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS WHOLE HAS COME
OUT OF THAT WHOLE
YET THAT WHOLE REMAINS WHOLE ONLY

Please see its so simple to understand but a book of 500 pages can also be written on this verse because Sanskrit teaches so deep.

Thank u sirs. K Rajaram IRS

NB: EQUAL NUMBER OF QUOTES FROM THE SAME WORLD RENOWNED PERSONS DO EXIST IN PRAISE OF THE LANGUAGE TOO.

 

PRACTICE OF NITHYA KARMAS

                              PRACTICE OF NITHYA KARMAS

Dear all

                     It makes quite an interesting feature. Our MAHA PERIAVA AND THE VARIOUS MUTTS have been advocating on Dharmic Nithya karmas.

Now I have been making thro all these and even historically found according to my little knowledge make a force.Basically all the real Swamijis of repute , never tell these people of non-performers ,from visiting them; they never say its enough or enough is enough and block the visitors from using their names for marriages etc and presentation on that day alone with all ritual-formalities.May be Mutt need money and even Brahman-sanyasi cannot avoid blatantly. SO COMMUNITY ACTS LIKE ACHILD AS IF GOOD BEHAVIOUR FOR THE OCCASION .

                          Still expanding this, take our dec kutcheri now going on; most of them male or female ,dress well and take the stage; they enlighten the crowd with vedic dharmas and have amake up of ritualistic sampradayas. How ever, go to their home and ask for the Kutcheri for your function, they are normally dressed, other than you saw on the dias and strictly quote their stake. They sell their products and supress taxes which is not dharmic.Similarly all people are wearing masks. Even temple archakas in Majority and purohits invariably in large numbers who are in this groove ,are not able to do and behave in NITHYA KARMA style advocated.

The karmas assigned to people are negleced with the irrelevent interpretations. The bhakthi modes in Puranas and vedanfgas are dicated for yugas ,on the basis of the absolute enforcements as would there need be ,for that periods, where the TRI GUNAS STAND UPRIGHT LEVEL TO DECREASING LEVELS and there it is not said that as some one said here ,its enough ,because it is said so for yugas. Elsewhere , I have sent emails on AKSHADAI where the Bhagavat geetha quotes can be seen, where the lord says ,even if one cant do the absoute need , atleast the next-next, levels ,HE will cherish; it means not that, its enough or with the decreased level, one can become MUMUKSHU. Its lke class teacher telling tha centum is the best, however, scoring atleast 35% is for pass

                       So when I wrote some days back that "I am a brahmin by caste but not by varnasrama dharmam" some one said that then "so long I wa sthinking you are a brahmin community "innocently. Our Varnasrama Dharma was AN ACT OF THE UNIVERSE, where responsibility of the puuling the society, together , with approptiate tasks ,were given THE APPROPRIATE NAMES; however during the British days, 200 years back, when they wanted to rule as a country, found easily to recruit the BRAHMANIC PERSONS ,as right and fit choice of integrity and named the community as BRHMIN CASTE AND THE INDIANS AS HINDU AND VEDIC RELIGION OR SANATHANA DHARM AS HINDUISM ,which were never there before.Our people who cannot ride the two horses, fell a prey. Then politics created the caste system and the britishers wrote history of India as it is ,projecting the south as Base. That is why further politics could grind well for votes here but failed in north. VARNASRAMAM became CASTES.

                                  Now if you look at the concpt, never it was said that Brahmin is a caste at all. One who works for the welfare of the society witht he dharmic principles belongs to IBS (indian brahmin service) and so on. It mens if Nandanar can show the welfare of the society , heis also a IBS only. In that case, those who protect becomes shatriyas and those who do business Vysyas and those who hel all these sectors are sudras. This will be the classifications when the world change. In this process ,yes by caste and by Govt there is a community of 2% called Brahmins. They have a heritage and therefore within the concept of Nithya karmas, ONE HAS TO SHIRK THE BAD AND TAKE THE HERITAGE WHICH IS NOT ONLY ANCESTRAL BUT SCIENTIFIC TOO. If one can find time for boozing, then cut it out before the doctors say and recite in that time the Gayathri mantra. As TRI GUNAS IS WITHIN THE SAME PERSON( I CALL IT AS DNA FACTORS) and upholds the right gunas neede for the service and give a long lecures, so too, DO THE RIGHT MIX UP OF VARNASRAMA ,trying to stay within the Satva , Rajo gunas and raise ultimately to SATVA GUNA when one becomes Brahmin. One cannot afford to say that as for as possible or subject to available of the time etc. Its wrong. I used to say when pointing out the punctuality, " are you not there @ 4 AM, if your financier had asked you to come promptly? are u not there when your GF wants you to be at a spot? so many like this" How was it done but excuse oneself for turning up late to office? ITS OUR MIND.

Now regarding the history, THERE IS NO IDOL WORSHIP MENTIONED ANY WHERE IN RIG VEDA. WHAT TO DO AS KAMYA KARMA WAS BROUGHT IN CHAMAKAM. RITUALS WERE CREATED BY MAN FOR DISCIPLINE FOLLOWING THE SRUTHIS, BUT VESTED INTERESTS CREATED MORE COMPLICATIONS WHICH WERE NOT REQUIRED. THE END RESULT "EXPLOSION OF KAPILA SANKYA, BUDDUSM AND JAINISM. " THESE SCRIPTURES WHICH ADVOCATED "NON-IDOL WORSHIP AND NON-RITUALS", FELL INTO THE SAME WELL FROM WHERE THEY EMANATED BECAUSE OF POSSESSIVENESS AND HUMAN GREED. IT WAS DITTO WITHT THE GREEKS TO JUDAISM TO CHRISTIANITY TO MUSLIM. Then does it give any excuse for failing mortals to day? NO. Valluar said from Vedas "EPPORUL YAR YAR VAIKKETPINUM APPORUL MEIPPORUL KANBADARIVU". Hence ARISE, AWAKE AND STOP NOT.

                           Kindly remember beyond all these one is must and again it shall not be wrongly interpreted as some body does here.

"MAZHITHALUM NEETTALUM VENDAVAM YAKKAIKKU ULAGAM PAZHITHATHU OZHITHUVIDIN" And that is possible with the vignanana NITHYA KARMAS which would shape the conuc and the character and the life ultimately. Thank you Sirs K RAJARAM IRS

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AUM TAT SAT

 

AKSHADHAI

AKSHADHAI                   

              Sri Narayanasamy may be right in his observations as for as the rituals- versions are concerned. However use of ASHADHAI is since JANAKAR periods as seen from puranas. Also, articles required reported in so many Poojas written in more than 15 major puranas have included the Mangala Akshadhai unequivocally. As seen from an incident narrated from vedangas with reference to how VEDAS were came to be differentiated,the Akshadhai was a pooja prasadam sent to King JANAKA daily by the great Rishi     .’” It is said that Rishi Vaisampayana taught Yajur Veda to Yagnavalkya and other disciples. Yagnavalkya was one of the very illustrious and bright students. It was a regular rite for the Rishi Vaisampayana to perform Vedic ritual for the welfare of the country and for the King (I think the Janaka Maharaja) and after the ritual the mangala akshdhai (Holy auspicious rice added with turmeric) will be sent to the King’s palace as prasadam and aseerwadham.

                  Apart from these Bhagavat Gita in the following slokas describe (1) how from maximum to minimum Bhakthi can be made relished by HIM, finally, descends down to “PATRAM, PUSHPAM, PALAM, THOYAM”. (2) Most Important is devotion. The order shows step by step, enlightening Arjuna, what is the least at least with “GOODNESS-SAT”.

BG 9.27: Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you perform — do that, O son of Kuntī, as an offering to Me.

BG 12.10: If you cannot practice the regulations of bhakti-yoga, then just try to work for Me, because by working for Me you will come to the perfect stage.

BG 12.12: If you cannot take to this practice, then engage yourself in the cultivation of knowledge. Better than knowledge, however, is meditation, and better than meditation is renunciation of the fruits of action, for by such renunciation one can attain peace of mind.

BG 12.13-14: One who is not envious but is a kind friend to all living entities, who does not think himself a proprietor and is free from false ego, who is equal in both happiness and distress, who is tolerant, always satisfied, self-controlled, and engaged in devotional service with determination, his mind and intelligence fixed on Me — such a devotee of Mine is very dear to Me.

BG 14.5: Material nature consists of three modes — goodness, passion and ignorance. When the eternal living entity comes in contact with nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, he becomes conditioned by these modes.

BG 15.19: Whoever knows Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without doubting, is the knower of everything. He therefore engages himself in full devotional service to Me, O son of Bharata.

BG 16.21: There are three gates leading to this hell — lust, anger and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul

BG 17.1: Arjuna inquired: O Kṛṣṇa, what is the situation of those who do not follow the principles of scripture but worship according to their own imagination? Are they in goodness, in passion or in ignorance?

BG 17.11: Of sacrifices, the sacrifice performed according to the directions of scripture, as a matter of duty, by those who desire no reward, is of the nature of goodness.

BG 17.26-27: The Absolute Truth is the objective of devotional sacrifice, and it is indicated by the word sat. The performer of such sacrifice is also called sat, as are all works of sacrifice, penance and charity which, true to the absolute nature, are performed to please the Supreme Person, O son of Pṛthā.

BG 18.14: The place of action [the body], the performer, the various senses, the many different kinds of endeavor, and ultimately the Supersoul — these are the five factors of action

BG 18.18: Knowledge, the object of knowledge, and the knower are the three factors that motivate action; the senses, the work and the doer are the three constituents of action.

BG 18.48: Every endeavor is covered by some fault, just as fire is covered by smoke. Therefore one should not give up the work born of his nature, O son of Kuntī, even if such work is full of fault.

BG 18.56: Though engaged in all kinds of activities, My pure devotee, under My protection, reaches the eternal and imperishable abode by My grace.

BG 18.66: Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.

BG 9.26: If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.

BG 9.27: Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you perform — do that, O son of Kuntī, as an offering to Me.

How to create and support more Veda Scholars? PART 2

How to create and support more Veda Scholars? II

2 Sri Rama Jayam S.C IYER  Dt/-21 12 2012 To: Sri. RAJARAM KRISHNAMURTHY IRS Dear Sir, Re: Your letter appearing in Iyer 123 Group Dt/- 20 12 2012 on How to create& Support Vedas-study& Teaching. Namaskaram. I happened to read your letter that appears in Iyer 123 Group Mail above, frankly giving your opinion there in. At the outset, I wish to make it plain that money collection through donations is NOT the object of the appeal made. We, born as Iyers, have a duty to perform- that is the study of the Veda and to teach it to others who are similarly born as Iyers. This is the advice given by ADI SANKARA himself. (since you are a well learned person, occupying a high position in society, you can access His works and satisfy yourself on it.). To day, most of us are not doing it , for various reasons. I am not elaborating them here. A very small number among us, however, are found to day, learning Vedas. They are not equipped otherwise, like us all to choose professions, that give them a lot of money and comforts, we all enjoy, and so, they have been compelled to follow this calling to make an honourable living, by the prevailing economic conditions. You find them as Vadyars/Purohits etc. There are others, much less in number, who study the Veda fully, and a fewer still, with meanings. These few do not accept professional occupations, like the category described above, but do accept for teaching to willing boys in their homes, in the traditional way. You will not find in their homes, cars or other comforts, generally found elsewhere. At best, there will be a cow, for feeding them with milk and ghee required for their anushtanas. This group, once patronized by kings, then by Zamindars, and later by a few Chettiar families, is gradually vanishing for lack of patronage. (There is a young (33yrs old) Dikshita living in Sri Rangam and this young man has been performing yagnyas for the welfare of humanity, these the last 9 years, with meager help rendered by locals. He and his wife live there, bereft of comforts enjoyed by all of us, in towns and cities.) The Kanchi Mutt is helping a few of them, within its available means. With the advent of the HR&CE Board, the daily Veda Parayana in temples, which form part of the daily rituals, for which the kings of yore had allotted villages ( as found in stone edicts even to day), has been completely stopped in the last few decades. These Veda Pandits were working in the temples as Adhyayana Bhattars, and being paid by them. They are no more to be found these days in any of our temples. And there is no sign of the HR&CE Board having any plans to revive this Veda Parayana practice in the temples. {In the North, in States like, Odisha, NE, Bengal, Bihar, U.P. and in Rajasthan, you can find Ved Pandits going from door to door, offering their domestic Pooja Prasad daily and taking some money in return, given by the house holder (of course, this is something short of begging). This is the reality to day of the so-called forward community of Brahmins in those regions. They have forgotten Vedas long ago, thanks to Muslim rule for 190 years followed by about 180 years’ rule by the British and then by our ‘secular’ government. The ‘social oppression’ by the Brahmins is still being talked about, with wide publicity, by our political class and the‘objective’ media. They have a cast iron constitutional frame work to assist them.} Such of those as have been blessed by the Almighty, and our forefathers, for a well-equipped, comfortable living in these modern times, have to think for a moment about our roots and our heritage, dating back to the Rishis of yore, try to live in a manner as they would expect of us and accept. But to deny totally, our own roots and identity and still claiming to be Brahmins doesn’t appear appropriate, either to themselves or to their fore fathers. It is true, it is not possible to day to live the life of Agraharam. But one should honestly followthe elementary precepts at least as described in our scriptures. There are many books like Ramayanam, Mahabharatam, Thevaram, Divya Prabandham etc., that give us the do’s and don’ts. They are all easily accessible. One child in each family can be given the facility of. Veda adhyayanam. To day, there are Vidya sthanams that cater to basic vedic study coupled with formal secular education to CBSE standard up to XII std level. If a boy wishes to study further in colleges, he can opt for it. Or, if he wants to study Vedas and Vedangas (Siksha, Vyakaranam, Chchandas, Jyotisham, Niruktam or Kalpam- these are different branches of Veda-based study) further, he can do so. There are many more branches like Nyaya, Tarka Vedanta etc. The Vedic sea is vast and wide. As Addison wrote, there is a lot for us “ to Strive, to Seek, to find and not to yield.” Mr. Rajaram writes about kali yuga traits, particularly, avarice. Yes, sir, it is present every where, in every calling & profession, among the rich and among the poor, and in every society, in East and in West. These will be here and will not vanish, in my humble view, by any amount of reforms. Fortunately, there are Acharyas still among us to day, but no sishyas. Thanks to the timely effort initiated by the Kanchi Mahasvami Pujya Sri Chandrasekharendra Sarasvati in 1960, and subsequently by His sishyas who adorn that Peetham to day, there are a handful of Yagnya Dikshitas, a few Agnihotris, quite a few Ghanapatis& Sa-Lakshana Vidwans ( those who have learnt the meaning of the Veda phrases) and many Veda pandits. But, as things stand to day, whether there will be similar strength in Veda adhyayees, in a generation from now, is a big question. That depends on all of us Iyers (and other Brahmins), in this generation My appeal to Mr. Rajaram (and I am not saying this to convince him or any other) “let try our wee-bit to preserve our own identity, by protecting the tender sprout of the Vedas, which in the verge of extinction, in this generation of ours. And I pray to God that He give us all the good sense and strength for it. With kind regards, S.C Iyer   21 Dec 2012

 

              Namaskaram sir. I have no two opinions about your view. Anything done in genuine has to be encouraged and as for the genuinity pl let me know in broad details and let us see how can we render our help.

              I have been discussing only about the VYSYAS IN BRAHMIN COMMUNITY (traders) AND I am fed up. One of the sishya of the great sastrigal was answering me wrt this type of decay, “Mama, nangalum manusha thane; engalukkum kudumbam irukko illiyo; enga kuzhandaigalum mele padikka vendama. ungalai madiri aga vendama; karthavum appadithane irukka; enga pozhaippukku nanga seyyarom; sila samayam partha odungidalama enru thonradu'----MY REPLY WAS SIMPLE. IF YOU CANNOT TAKE THE RULES OF THE SRUTHIS AND SMRITHIS, PL QUIT AND BECOME AN OFFICE CLERK OR HOLS A BUSINESS. I am talking about them only.

             I can understand your anxiety. These were spoken by MAHA PERIAVA in 1957 itself. To be frank with you, by the grace of HIM, I have remained on this side of DHARMA to some extent and right from my school days Learnt few things; did a study of grazing of all sruthi and smrithis and puranas and had under stood the significance of our sanathana dharma; I am a dharmist; Brahmin smartha by caste, branded by the British and our Govt(not according to sruthi);I am not ashamed to admit that I am not a Brahmin as advocated by our Acharyas and Vedas, strict to the yard stick; I learn the concept of samskaars and do it with the sincerely of purpose; I am asanskrit student who can decipher the scriptures; i do expect my vadyars to be perfect because THEY ARE BRAHMINS AS WELL AS BRAHMANS; I do find lot of sanyasis preaching outwardly and making money and exploiting the gullibles, which is not the intentions of our sanathana dharma; many bore the title of our guru also; we have no religion like others and what we have is a way of life ; so many are exploiting without grace; and I want people to stay away from such; this is my indignity and no harmful intentions.

                    In India Vedas shall be taught right from standard 3 till +2 to strengthen the minds but unfortunately Sanskrit which is going to be used in software shortly as world codes is being despised; the caste system was created by the British and being followed by the politics where the excuse was 2% of the community ruled and suppressed over them which is next to impossibility. HOW 2% CAN RULE AND SUPRESS 98% IF IT IS NOT A SOCIETY CULTURE WITH SELF -BEHAVIOUR? VARNASRAMA WAS / IS BEING INTERPRETED FOR THE VESTED INTEREST. HERE MY QUOTE OF KALIYUGA FITS IN. ALL BRAHMINS WILL BE SERVING THE THE OTHER VARNAS AND THE VEDIC STUDY WILL FAIL.

                I have no bickering. I am interested to do whatever is feasible on genuine grounds. I am sure that RELIGION SHALL BE A TOOL FOR ERNING AND LIVING OTHER THAN THE NEEDS MINIMUM,RIGHT FROM SANYASI DOWN TEACHER. Bless me sir and Thank you with utmost respects

K Rajaram IRS

 

How to create and support more Veda Scholars?

How to create and support more Veda Scholars?

Respected members of the group,

 

The return / benefits that accrue from recitation of veda or kriyas are adhrushtaplan in nature i.e. not tangible. There are people to donate for other causes. But very few people can visualize the importance of Veda and the rites associated with it. Brahmins who are not fortunate to be initiated in the Vedadyanam can compensate by working or donating for the cause of Veda as detailed by Mr.Muralidharan or in many other innovative ways. The minimum that can be done by persons having born twice (Irupirappalan) One by Jananam and the other by Upanayanasamskaram; but missed the great opportunity to learn veda (I am one among the unfortunate persons) is to feel for it (Paschathapam).

 

Dear all

It’s not to hurt anyone . I live in a spot where I can see what’s going on. I wrote somewhere else also. Now days, 90% make easy money by exploiting the sanathana dharma and Vedic rituals as well as exploiting the good Samaritan, especially from people abroad. Veda teaching has become a business to earn by recruiting few innocent victims who are poor. I won’t say that nothing is transacted there, but there are no real "acharyas". Money and gifts earned are encashed for own developments, granting few lessons to the student’s marked as resident or exhibited as resident while accumulating them when there need be. They have a trust t but no explanations or accounts offered wrt the trust. The joke part of it when they are confronted by the relevant dept, they coolly answer that they are imparting what they knew at free of cost. Vedas are not taught with dharmic concepts and with the meaning. If u asks them they have standard answer that it will take 18 to 24 years or if u want to see them, they have gone to write exams. The dhotis gifted like vadyars are sold at half the price to the same shop. Some do real estate business. Some who are 4 or 5 brothers stretch this at native, Chennai, trichy, Madurai etc and make money. Kaliyuga traits are seen as narrated in puranas seen well. 10 % who do service are unknown. My friend is running one on the outskirts of Chennai from his trust and supervising the actions going on. Except this kind of 10%, it’s difficult to appraise the right ones and hence help is not forth coming. WHAT WE HAVE LEARNT IS TO EXPLOIT RELIGION NOT ONLY AMONG US EVEN OTHER RELIGIONS. THOSE WHO SAY WE ARE EATING THE CRUMBLES OF BREAD STREWN ON THE FLOOR ARE LIVING ON SCOTCH.

 

Dear sir,

I have no connection with any Veda Padasalai. I off corse support one in Palakkad. I have visited this place many times and am impressed with the way they manage this. They have regular teachers who are experts and qualified in sanskrit and vartious shakas of Vedas. You should visit this place to convince yourself that there are legitimate institutions run by dedicated people.

We should avoid generalising because there are a few who fall into trhe category you have described. Messages like yours discourage the very few donors who help the genuine instittutions. Sorry for this reply as I was hurt by your message. I have made sure that this message is addressed only to you. In case you desire the contact for the insttution in Palakkad let me know.

Please do not take this personally. With best regards..

 

Dear Mr

I appreciate your ardent motivation and at the same time I wrote that its not to hurt anyone but to do the act as "PATHIRAMARINDHU PICHAIYIDU (OUVAIYAR).I have never said there are no such institutions nor do I discourage the right acts. I am ordained to make many donations and facilities to Vedapatasala and the out come of are they in large dupers. There are a few like Kumbakonam Raja vedapatasala, Kanchi, Sringeri paatasala, In Chennai at 2 places, near Nannilam Tanjore, and so and so which are imparting with right VEDA ADYAPAKAS. Hence your generous observations that "We should avoid generalizing because there are a few who fall into the category you have described as".

It’s not a hasty generalization at all. Here I would like to make a point. Criticisms or accusations can be made generally on common sense; however, the salvo is sharp when made after knowing the nuances to better extent, where the criticizer is looked upon by easy maneuvering persons, existing in this world.

For example, (on the outset I don’t know in entirety in excellence, but has a little knowledge to know whether being done with the authority ;) Kalyana mantra, sraddam mantras, seemantha and ayush homa mantras etc are recited by the sastrigal in majority to day without any regrets, erroneously and with lot of omissions and commissions, which UNAWARE the karthas recite and appreciate the vadyars. My sastrigal who is learned is cautious about me; even on occasions, I have heard him telling that assistants to be careful, lest those will be taken to task; in USA also our people take dollars but literally cheat the karthas who are willing to do it and in my presence they do it cautiously, because I will question. I am telling this because, in order to know the real, we must have A TIOP OF THE ICE-BERG knowledge or else many flout the rules for money which is against the Vedic ethics.

I had known Radhakrishnansastrigal of my father's time and ANDI VADYAR of my time who used to do the rituals in a mastery manner economically and as per sastras. I had seen the former performing sraddam of a poor man ,taking a handful of rice ,as dhakshina,  sastras impose and the latter returning back the money on the occasion of the upanayanam. I am also seeing the other ways and they are in large numbers because the karthas have the desire to perform but do not have the knowledge basically needed. Majority of them have started VEDIC CLASSES, SCHOOLS, TAKE COMPLIMENTS FROM THE MATAMS and make this an institution of earnings for profit. I know a sastrigal at Mylapore coming in car with BAR-AT-LAW assistants, only to rich people with 4 or 5 cell phones and what they will do; they are also collecting donations; I have no ill feelings against anyone but am pragmatic.

Real Vedavits like paatasala ordained are carrying on with the help of people like us and Matams and we have to help ONLY SUCH and SUCH (sat yam) is known by their life style and VEDIC DEDICATIONS apart from the reports of the vidyarthees. If their acts are genuine they are transparent who will keep their accounts and balance sheets open which can be inspected. Kalpathi is a famous place and there could really be a genuine paatasala. My pleadings are BE CAREFUL; KNOW THE ACHARYA(KYC) and do the needful.

 

“THE VEDAS ARE INTENDED TO SERVE DIFFERENT PURPOSE. THEY HAVE TO BE LEARNT BY HEART. , UNDERSTANDING THE CORRECT WAYOF PRONOUNCING THE MANTRAS BY LISTENNING TO THE RENDERING BY GURU. ...........PURITY OF THE SOUNDS AND ACCENTS OF THE WORDS ARE RETAINED IN THAT PROCESS. ......MERE PRESERVATIONS OF THE VEDAS IN BOUND VOLUMES CANNOT SECURE US THE BENEFITS FOR WHICH THEY ARE INTENDED.....................

VEDA ADYAYANA WITHOUT KNOWING THE MEANING THEREOF IS LIKE PRESERVING THE BODY WITHOUT THE SOUL. VEDA MANTRAS UTTERED WITH A KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR MEANINGWILL LEAD TO PAPAA PARIHARA AND ARISHTA SANTHIAND PAVE THE WAY BRAHMA SAKSHATKARA (GOD REALISATION).......

mANY OF THEM (PUROHITS) LEARN MECHANICALLY WITHOUT CARING TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE VEDIC HYMNS. ......

GHEETHI SHEEGRI SHIRAKKAMBI THATAH LIKITHA PATAKA , I ANARHANGJA ALPAKATHAMCHA SHADAETHAE PAATAKAADHAMA: II

tHERE ARE SIX POOR QUALITY TEACHERS AND STUDENTS OF VEDAS; RECITING MUSICALLY, RECITING VERY FAST, RECITING WITH THE NOD OF HEADS, LEARNING FROM BOOKS, LEARNING WITHOUT KNOWING THE MEANING, AND THOSE WHO HAVE A POOR VOICE ARE LOW QUALITIES.

(FROM MAHA PERIAVAL OF KANCHI 01/02/1958).”

Thank you sirs Regards Pranams and god bless you all K Rajaram IRS

 

ultimate; the Dear

                               ultimate; the Dear 

I appreciate your anxiety and relevant concern. Prima facie your observations of "corporate' culture of the oriental or west, is not a grave reason at all. (It is the view of the Vijay TV gopinath also) Artha sastra speak only about the corporate administration only; most of the ideas of the today world had been plagirised from our concept only. Based on this TIRUVALLUAR wrote admn machinery. In Rig Vedam in the ancient period, there were only four groups of professions called, VARNASRAMAM, STATUS OF CATEGORIES, (not color as today meant) and there were no castes nor religion, but a way of life. Even then there were segments of countries, mentioned as 56 countries etc, and there were languages different apart from sanskrit.

However,intermingling of languages existed as and when land area was extended and shrunk, accordint to the rulings of the kings, and because of the mixture there were no groups of unique nature; there was no casteism aspect projected till britishers were ushered in; even when the muslim rulers were there , there were respects for individual characters, other than war destructions; It was BRITISH (pl read MECAULAY ON EDUCATION) WHO WANTED TO RULE ON THE WEAKNESS OF THE COMMUNITY. So "DIVIDE AND RULE "POLICY WERE INCORPORATED. A population which were united by faith whatsoever the rulers, got scattered like amlas. PROFESSIONS WERE TWISTED AS CASTES; POVERTY WAS ATTRIBUTED TO CASTES; COMPARISON OF GOVT WORKS WITH OTHER STYLES WERE CAUSE OF INSTIGATED SUPPRESSIONS, FOR WHICH, SO MANY WEALTHY LAND LORDS FELL A PREY.

Then the religion s were to be brought in for the same purpose as well as it was the thinking that if all became christians, country will be England. Britishers started the word, "HINDU" so thet "muslims " can be targeted against; ferocity was fanned regularly and Mutiny of the soldiers were bon-fire; in the mean time, so many britishers feigned to take interest in our scrriptures; they brougt in people who will work for money; so many Kasi pundits were hired to twist and turn; made real attemt to learn sanskrit but wrote as if authoritatively, with the little knowledge; they interpreted the history; tried as neat as possible to say that the vedic period is ionly from 1200 BC; hindu religion coined was made inferior to christianity; so on so forth. And now the degradation was set in by ourselves, falling a prey to clerical posts and Rao Bhahadurs etc; Britishers could safely rule for 200 years, which impact is this Casteism and the Religious dividers. Nearly 300 years onslaught had kept the track totally different.

Britishers were invaders but our own rulers are also became the selfish invaders into the life of our own people. They the rulers after the British, followed THE DIVEDE AND RULE, which is ultimate blow to this karma boomi; adding fuel to the fire theories of quota was introduced by the great lawman and committee; sardar patel divided the nation according to languages; regional politics followed the survival thro languages and the quota; quota created the caste divisions; in order to make people forget the source, sanskrit and the followeres were brnded as outcast; vote banks and poweer were built up; all these moves were corporate moves only, which is the british legacy; OLD GAVE WAY TO NEW AND THAT IS THAT.

Wr have come a long way. We cant blame the politics. We have to blame the the vested interests and the greediness as the culprits and fingers will point out only one PUBLIC. When the dropping honey is so sweet and the entire fingers are inside the mouth, how can they be expected to come out of this ring and look back. Descriptions of the Kaliyuga in scriptures cannot be alrered. Its not corporate but it is desire, greed, and the pleasure of walking over others heads--NEVER CAN THERE BE RETURN AT ALL!!!

WHY IT WAS SAID LIKE T(H)AT- MY VIEW

          WHY IT WAS SAID LIKE T(H)AT- MY VIEW

     In His speech in 1957, Maha Periava was telling that there is a difference in other religion and ours, in that, there is direct “communication” with one god, whereas, here many Gods and Goddesses, which the west call as “Pantheism”.

        I was wondering that how it could be true, when Paramacharyal is neither approving the west view nor our scriptures do.

        In another context around the same period of lectures, while speaking and explaining about the “TAT”, ATHA”, “VEDAM’, “VEDANTHAM”, AND “IDHAM”, it was asserted with the context of the Bhagaavt bhaadhal, that advaitham was reverberated and retorted by many but all were answered well by Adi Sankarar, and all the oppositions have to ultimately come around advaitham only. If pathway is vedam, tat is vedhantham. God is Parameswara, only one and ONE IS ALL AND ALL IS ONE. Manifestations have several names but ultimate is TAT.

       Now it flashed me and may be right or may be wrong as I have no wisdom to match HIM.

       Yes, all religions have direct communications with GOD. Somebody calling “OH, JESUS’; somebody inviting “HEY ALLA”; so many utterances. Why  even we address as “ SIVA SIVA, KRISHNA KRISHNA, RAMA, PERUMALE, THAYE, PARASAKTHI, SARASWATHI, PARVATHI, LAKSHMI, MARIAMMA ETC ETC.But whether we address the “TAT” or “SUPREME’, or “THE PARA BRAMMAM”  as “DIRECTLY” by that name?  NEVER. When thinking about it,”TAT” is supreme to all even Allah and Jesus, or may be “TAT” IS JESUS AND ALLA AND OR AS EACH ADDRESSED.

      In the former state, we don’t know “TAT” and hence we address one below. In the latter case, we do respect the “TAT” which is vedhantham. I was wonder struck about HIS subtlety in the utterances.

SANYASAM

THIS IS RECEIVED BY ME AND I AM POSTING IT TO DRIVE HOME MY CONVICTION ON SANYASI AND HENCE ONLY HE IS MAHA PERIAVA

பெரியாரும் பெரியவரும்!

ஒரு நாள், ஒரு பெரியவரைப் பற்றி ஒரு விஷயம் கேள்விப்பட்டேன். மறுநாள், வேறு ஒருவர் ஒரு பிரபலம் பற்றிய வேறொரு விஷயம் கேள்விப்பட்டேன். ஆச்சரியமாக, அந்த இரண்டு விஷயங்களுக்கும் ஒரு முக்கிய ஒற்றுமை இருந்ததைக் கண்டேன். அந்த இரண்டு விஷயங்களைச் சொல்கிறேன். நீங்களே இரண்டுக்கும் உள்ள ஒற்றுமை என்னவென்று கண்டுபிடித்துக் கொள்ளுங்கள்.

காஞ்சிப் பெரியவரின் கூடவே இருந்து, அவருக்கு 40 ஆண்டுக் காலம் சேவை செய்யும் பாக்கியம் பெற்றவர் லக்ஷ்மிநாராயணன் என்னும் 76 வயதுப் பெரியவர். மாங்காட்டில் இருக்கிறார். சக்தி விகடனில் காஞ்சிப் பெரியவர் பற்றிய அனுபவங்களை எழுதச் சொல்லலாம் என்று, எழுத்தாளர் சாருகேசியுடன் சென்று, அவரைச் சந்தித்துப் பேசினேன். காஞ்சிப் பெரியவர் பற்றி அவர் சொன்ன ஒரு விஷயம் எனக்கு புதுசாக இருந்தது.

காஞ்சிப் பெரியவர் தமது பரிவாரங்களுடன் நடந்து வருகிறார். லஸ் அருகில், அவரையும் அவரது அடியவர் கூட்டத்தையும் தாக்குவதற்காக திராவிடர் கழகத்தினர் கழி, கட்டைகளோடு நின்றுகொண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள். காஞ்சிப் பெரியவருக்கு ஏதேனும் சங்கடம் நேர்ந்துவிட்டால், தங்களால் அதைத் தாங்கிக் கொள்ள முடியாதே என்கிற பதைப்போடு டி.டி.கே., சதாசிவம் போன்றோர் கையைப் பிசைந்துகொண்டு நிற்கிறார்கள். பெரியவரை மேலே முன்னேறி வர வேண்டாம் என்று அவர்கள் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறார்கள். அவரது பாதுகாப்புக்கு போலீஸ் அதிகாரிகள் இருக்கிறார்கள். இருந்தாலும், அவர்களும் தங்களை மீறி பெரியவருக்கு ஏதேனும் ஆபத்து நேர்ந்துவிடுமோ என்கிற பயத்தில், அவரை மேலே செல்ல வேண்டாம் என்று தயவுடன் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறார்கள்.

பெரியவர் புன்னகைக்கிறார். "ஏன் வீணா பயப்படறேள்? அவா என்னை ஒண்ணும் பண்ண மாட்டா!' என்று சொல்லிவிட்டு, அருகே இருந்த அம்பாள் கோவில் எதிரே நின்று சிறிது நேரம் கண்களை மூடிப் பிரார்த்தனை செய்துகொண்டுவிட்டு, மேலே நடக்கத் தொடங்குகிறார். கூடவே நடந்து செல்லும் அனைவரின் மனதிலும் திக்... திக்..! என்ன ஆகப் போகிறதோ என்று படபடப்பு!

அந்த நேரத்தில், ஈ.வே.ரா. பெரியார் அங்கே வருகிறார். திராவிடர் கழகத் தொண்டர்களைப் பார்த்து உரத்த குரலில், "எல்லாரும் கட்டைகளைக் கீழே போட்டுட்டு, ஒதுங்கி நில்லுங்க. பெரியவரை வழி மறிக்கிறது, தாக்குறது எல்லாம் கூடாது, சொல்லிட்டேன்! அவர் எங்கே போகணுமோ, அங்கே அவரை ஒரு ஆபத்தும் இல்லாம கொண்டு போய்ச் சேர்க்க வேண்டியது உங்க பொறுப்பு!' என்று கட்டளை இடுகிறார். அந்தக் கணீர்க் குரல் பெரியவருக்கும் அவரைச் சுற்றி நிற்கும் அனைவருக்கும் கேட்கிறது. "நான்தான் சொன்னேனே, பார்த்தீர்களா!' என்பதுபோல் பெரியவர் தம் அருகில் இருப்பவர்களைப் பார்த்துப் புன்னகை பூத்தபடி, தொடர்ந்து நடக்கிறார்.

பெரியாரின் கட்டளையைச் சிரமேற்கொண்டு, பெரியவரைப் பாதுகாப்பாக அழைத்துக் கொண்டுபோய் விடுகிறார்கள் திராவிடர் கழகத் தொண்டர்கள். இந்தச் சம்பவம் நடக்கும்போது கூடவே இருந்தவர் லக்ஷ்மிநாராயணன். இதை அவர் விவரித்தபோது, அன்றைக்கிருந்த படபடப்பு அவரது வர்ணனையில் இருந்தது.

இந்தச் சம்பவத்துக்குச் சில ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்னால் வரை, காஞ்சிப் பெரியவர் ‘மேனா' என்று சொல்லக்கூடிய சிவிகையில்தான் சென்றுகொண்டு இருந்தார். சிவிகை என்பது பல்லக்கு. பழைய காலத் திரைப் படங்களில் இளவரசியை ஒரு பல்லக்கில் வைத்து, முன்னால் நான்கு பேர், பின்னால் நான்கு பேர் தூக்கிச் செல்வதைப் பார்த்திருக்கலாம். பெரியவரையும் அதுபோல்தான் அடியவர்கள் தூக்கிச் செல்வார்கள்.

ஒருமுறை, பெரியவர் அதுபோல் மேனாவில் சென்றுகொண்டு இருந்தபோது, வழியில் மேடை போட்டுப் பெரியார் பேசிக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறார். "மற்றவர்கள் சிரமப்பட்டுத் தூக்கிச் செல்ல, சொகுசாக உட்கார்ந்துகொண்டு போகிறாரே, இவரெல்லாம் ஒரு துறவியா? மனிதனை மனிதன் சுமப்பது எத்தனைக் கேவலமானது! துறவி என்றால் எல்லாச் சுகங்களையும் துறக்க வேண்டும். இப்படி அடுத்தவர் தோளில் உட்கார்ந்து போகும் இவரைத் துறவி என்று எப்படி ஒப்புக்கொள்ள முடியும்?' என்று பெரியார் முழங்கிக்கொண்டு இருப்பது பெரியவரின் காதுகளில் விழுந்தது.

அவ்வளவுதான்... மேனாவை அங்கேயே தரையிறக்கச் சொல்லி இறங்கிவிட்டார் பெரியவர். "அவர் ஏதோ சொல்றார்; சொல்லிட்டுப் போறார். அதைப் பெரிசா எடுத்துக்காதீங்கோ! உங்களைச் சுமந்துண்டு போறதை நாங்க பாக்கியமா கருதறோம்!'என்று மடத்தைச் சேர்ந்தவர்கள் பெரியவரிடம் கெஞ்சியிருக்கிறார்கள்.

"இல்லை. அவர் சொல்றதுதான் சரி! சுகத்தைத் துறக்காதவன் துறவியே இல்லை. இனிமே எனக்கு இந்த மேனா வேண்டாம். இனி நான் எங்கே போகணும்னாலும் நடந்துதான் போகப் போறேன்' என்று தீர்மானமான முடிவெடுத்துவிட்டார் காஞ்சிப் பெரியவர்.

கடைசி வரையிலும், அவர் அந்த முடிவிலிருந்து மாறவில்லை. அவர் கால்கள் தெம்பு இருக்கும்வரை நடந்துகொண்டே இருந்தன.

 

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